That is very true.
It could very well have been an American.
No matter who it turns out is responsible though wee must all remember not to hate the nation for the actions of some of it's people.


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Excuse my language but it appears like the shit is going to hit the fanes across the world.

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What is the First Union and were they gone all day or were they there when all of this started initailly?


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You know childhood is over when a puddle seems like an obstacle instead of an opportunity.

Is Too! Is Not! Is Too! Is Not!

on the news it was said it was just a rumor sorry

Speaking as a combat vet (and as you all know, I don't mention that often) and a former member of the Special Forces, I am outraged by this attack. The frustration, sadness, anger and outright rage I feel is threatening to overwhelm me. Thousands of people dead, many thousands more injured, and all for what? So some millionaire psychopath can make a point?!?!?! Believe me, whomever is resonsible for this has made the worst possible mistake in the history of bad mistakes. You now have the undivided attention of the entire United States of America. You are in deep sh*t now, buddy.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to swear, but this is the most mind numbing thing I've ever experienced in my life and I feel that I must pass along my feelings to you all as I have come to accept you as my sort of extended family. This day will be remembered forever. God bless the victims and families.

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Glad to hear that you finally heard from your mom (and Dad). I heard about that car bomb on the radio on my way home, but it was at that time unconfirmed. I've been hearing also about another plane that went down earlier. My mother said she heard on the news that it went down and an "undisclosed" area, which makes you wonder why so secret? Then a friend of mine just told me that this plane was flying in the air above the Potomac that would not identify itself, and the military shot it down into the Potomac. So far I have not heard personally myself any confirmation on either of these "rumors". Keeping an eye out on the news on that.

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Hey K-Dog, good to see you back, unfortunate circumstances though...
Like you, I am overcome with disgust and a strong desire for revenge. I hope that this all plays out with a minimal loss of life, more innocents dying would only further the tragedy. The guilty, on the other hand, deserve whatever they get.

Let's hope we can find a corner to escape the US backlash.

Provide me with information and sites to confirm it with your post please

you all have to watch it with rumors

Or for us in the US a place to excape the terror for a whail. I can tell this has shocked the US to the core. I have heard that this is like a second Pearl Harbor awaking the US to how vulnerable it is. Only this time how vulnerable it is to attackes by orgainized terrorizm. I feel sorry for the poor f*&^@ who financed this because they are as good as dead.

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Yes I would think it is safe to say"put your head between
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I agree. There has to be a way to do this so that as few people as possible get hurt. But there has to be a retaliation, unfortunately, it's like throwing a punch with a blindfold on. There's just now way to know where to go next, and as angry as this makes me (I'm shaking right now) we have to remain calm as a country while the investigation goes forward.

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The sleeping dog is now woke! I've got one word. SIC'EM!!


I wonder if, in dying for Allah, the suicide pilots were surprised to wake up in hell?

Here's the chronology of what happened (which you can read in the first plane thread I locked (sorry I had to lock it for forum stability reasons).

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1:04 p.m.: President Bush, speaking from an undisclosed location, says that all appropriate security measures are being taken, including putting the U.S. military on high alert worldwide. He asks for prayers for those killed or wounded in the attacks and says: "Make no mistake, the United States will hunt down and punish those responsible for these cowardly acts."

12:30 p.m.: The FAA says 50 flights are in U.S. airspace, but none are reporting any problems.

12:15 p.m.: The Immigration and Naturalization Service says U.S. borders with Canada and Mexico are on the highest state of alert, but no decision has been made about closing borders.

12:15 p.m: San Francisco International Airport is evacuated and shut down. The airport was the destination of American Airlines Flight 77, which was one of the aircraft to strike the World Trade Center.

12:04 p.m.: Los Angeles International Airport, the destination of two of the hijacked American Airlines flights, is evacuated.

11:59 a.m.: United Airlines confirms that Flight 175, from Boston to Los Angeles, has crashed with 56 passengers and nine crew members aboard. Emergency personnel at the scene say there are no survivors.

11:26 a.m.: United Airlines reports that United Flight 93, en route from Newark, New Jersey, to San Francisco, has crashed in Pennsylvania, southeast of Pittsburgh. The airline also says that it is "deeply concerned" about United Flight 175.

11:18 a.m.: American Airlines reports it has lost two aircraft. American Flight 11, a Boeing 767 flying from Boston to Los Angeles, had 81 passengers and 11 crew aboard. Flight 77, a Boeing 757 en route from Dulles Airport near Washington to Los Angeles, had 58 passengers and six crew members aboard. Flight 11 is believed to be one of the planes that crashed into the World Trade Center.

11:16 a.m.: CNN reports that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is preparing bioterrorism teams to respond to the incidents in a precautionary move. The preparation is not based on any known bioterrorism threat.

11:02 a.m.: New York Mayor Rudy Guiliani urges citizens to stay at home and orders an evacuation of the area south of Canal Street.

10:57 a.m.: New York Gov. George Pataki says all state government offices are closed.

10:54 a.m.: Israel evacuates all diplomatic missions.

10:53 a.m.: New York's primary elections scheduled for today are postponed.

10.48 a.m.: Police confirm the crash of a large plane in Somerset County, Pennsylvania.

10.46 a.m.: U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell cuts short his trip to Latin America to return to the United States.

10:45 a.m.: All federal office buildings in Washington are evacuated.

10:28 a.m.: The World Trade Center's north tower collapses from the top down as if it were being peeled apart, releasing a tremendous cloud of debris and smoke.

10:24 a.m.: The FAA reports that all inbound transatlantic aircraft flying into the United States are being diverted to Canada.

10:22 a.m.: In Washington, the State and Justice departments are evacuated, along with the World Bank.

10:13 a.m.: The United Nations building evacuates, including 4,700 people from the headquarters building and 7,000 total from UNICEF and U.N. development programs.

10:10 a.m.: United Airlines Flight 93 crashes in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, southeast of Pittsburgh.

10:10 a.m.: A portion of the Pentagon collapses.

10:08 a.m.: Secret Service agents armed with automatic rifles are deployed into Lafayette Park across from the White House.

10:05 a.m.: The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses, plummeting into the streets below. A massive cloud of dust and debris forms and slowly drifts away from the building.

9:57 a.m.: Bush departs from Florida.

9:45 a.m.: The White House evacuates.

9:43 a.m.: An aircraft crashes into the Pentagon, sending up a huge plume of smoke. Evacuation begins immediately.

9:40 a.m.: The FAA halts all flight operations at U.S. airports, the first time in U.S. history that air traffic nationwide has been halted.

9:39 a.m. President Bush is to convene a national security meeting immediately upon his return to Washington. The president has spoken with Vice President Dick Cheney and New York Gov. George Pataki.

9:30 a.m.: President Bush, speaking in Florida, says the country has suffered an "apparent terrorist attack."

9:21 a.m.: New York City Port Authority orders all bridges and tunnels in the New York City area closed

9:17 a.m.: The FAA shuts down all New York City area airports.

9:03 a.m.: A second plane, apparently a passenger jet, crashes into the second World Trade Center tower and explodes. Both buildings are burning.

8:45 a.m.: A large plane, possibly a hijacked airliner, crashes into one of the World Trade Center towers, tearing a gaping hole in the building and setting it afire.
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If you have to have a time to break down, this is defenitely the time. I watched the WTC Tower 1 fall live(the second one to collapse). I was less than a foot from my little tv, watching people literally jumping out 30+ floor windows to escape the flames, when the whole shing just caved in. I was in tears. I've been sort of in a fog. Just got to work, and am feeling more than a little twitchy. Every time I heard anything that resembled a plane, I flinched. I dont live that far from a major AF Strategic Air Command base(I live in Boise Idaho. Mountain Home AFB is only about 45 miles away, and is the 3rd or 4th biggest SAC base in the US). Its a scary time. I just want to add my thoughts to everyone elses. Hang tough.

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man, I've been waching since just after the second plane hit. it saddend me greatly but yet I happen to have a smile on my face right now. I remembered that Cloudy was from NY, well I was worried so I come here to check and well there it was a brand new post from cloudy letting me know she was alright. and I see that Yorick is in NY but he's alright too. also I have been reading and I see that Trux has had word from his dad. and well this may seem odd to some people but I am happy that at least some people are alright. that doesn't mean that I don't fill for the ones lost but that I can take comfort in the ones that weren't lost. now I shall go check the news again. *hugs* ALL

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Very eerie news

A passanger on the plane that crashed in PA locked him/herself in the bathroom and called an emergency dispatcher on their cell phone...yelling into the phone "We've been hijacked, we've been hijacked" the person staid on the phone until a loud noice was heard and the phone went silent http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif


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I'm getting more and more pissed off about this. This is the most sickening thing I ever saw. These guys have so little value to life, they don't deserve to live....http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif A moment of silence for all those innocent people that died out there.....I don't know what they are expecting, but what do they think what will happen if USA finds out who did it. They got battleships, airplanes, military bases all ready to engage. They will never survive.

I realize that I'm starting yet another argument here, but I have to say this: can you blame the hijacking pilots? Because it sounds to me as if they've been completely brainwashed. Somebody willing to do THAT cannot be sane anymore, they belong in a psychiatry... and as for the people who planned the whole thing, I pity their poor, twisted minds. May they find peace someday.

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i don't have any sites to confirm, my father is a DC police officer at the scene when it occurred.



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a bunch of long hairs.
trux

The original pilots involved could have been innocent, killed, or their seats taken over by the hijackers who knew how to fly. (this coming from a comment in another thread and having seen pilots mentioned here)
Terrorists are extremists who will give their lives for their cause. It is as much personal conviction as it is brain-washing by their leaders.
The plane that went down near Philedelphia could have gone down because the pilot refused to give in and a fight ensued that crashed the plane, or the plane was purposely crashed to save more lives in Philedelphia. Their landing gear was not down when they hit the ground.
We cannot say that the original pilots of these flights were the ones who literally crashed the planes into the buildings involved. There are too many possibilities for speculation on such a personal level as the original pilots intentions or the parts they played in what happened in NYC and DC today.
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trux

Give your Dad a hug as soon as you see him...truly an unsung hero!

Mark

[This message has been edited by skywalker (edited 09-11-2001).]

To be honest I assumed it would be the hijackers. I meant 'can you blame the pilots who flew the planes into the WTC?' I'm assuming that these will be trained kamikaze plane-hijackers.

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Sorry if I don´t come out the big person of this, but peace someday is what they never should have IMHO...



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I know what you're saying Kaz, but I feel sorry for them like I feel sorry for a rabid dog that needs to be put down for the safety of everyone.


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I know what you mean, Milamber - we should make sure that they can never do such a thing again. However, I cannot agree with killing them, however much they deserve it. And I cannot agree to war - BTW I'm a pacifist.

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some people cannot be saved through psychiatry.

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I understand that you did...I just wanted to mention that in this thread since it seems to be getting the most attention...for all to read and understand and since I forget where I initially saw the post that seemed to lay blame on the original pilots.

Please take no offense at what I said in quoting your post to make my point?



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I don't mind pacifists. Y'all can just stand back while military non-pacifist type folks speak in a language that terrorists understand! The forcible widening of their booty with a big (unlubricated) boot!

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Jeb Bush just declared Florida in a state of Emergency.
Anyone else ?

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Of course I won't take offense, Moni! Anyway, compared to what else has happened today it would be a bit stupid to start a flame war over that! (I'd post a winking smilie but it'll be a while before I can smile again - even virtually)

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Huh? What happened in Florida?

Mark

Nothing other than His brother, the Pres. was here.
It might have something to with MacDill or one of the
many other Goverment institutions down here.

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Another building has collapsed in New York just now!


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Skywalker see my earlier post on why states of emergency are being declared in unaffected states...ahh heck Ill just re-post that it is becuase by declaring the state of emergency the state Governors are legally able to release certain resources to send to aid the stricken area. There are manay states declaring the Emergency so they can quickly send help. Jeb Bush having been with the Pres when this went down would logically be one of the first.

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