DO any of u ppl have any tips 2 kill dragonz. If so let me know!

look tho some previoulsy mentioned topics; if u want my advice; get some dragon-killin equipments; ie swords, etc., some timestop~spells, and hack and slash away. surround the dragon; then charge! use ur mage to cast time-stop, use hostile magic, then keep hacking and slashing.

Um, Calaethis...most characters won't be able to cast "time stop" unless they A) do it from a scroll or B) have ToB installed.

What I would suggest is the following:

A) Summon "fodder" (summoned creatures) and occupy the dragon with those.

B) Cast "Wizard Eye" and make the dragon attack that while you whack at it from the backside

C) Put every kind of protection spell on you that you can, and haste all of your characters. For Firkraag, for instance, have everyone with Protection from Fire on.

D) Have your mages memorize all their abjuration spells possible (Ruby Ray, Magic Word, Spell Thrust, Pierce Magic, Pierce Shield (if you can cast it), Greater Malison (to reduce the dragon's saving throws)).

E) Have your characters lower the dragons' magical resistance by casting "Magic Resistance" on him...it actually lowers the resistance on a dragon! Then have a cleric or druid cast "Harm" on the dragon while the mages pommel him with "Magic Missile"...should take him out fairly quickly.

F. Summon fodder and cast "Otiluke's Resiliant Sphere" on them and send them up to the Dragon. The dragon will keep attacking the protected fodder while you take him out.

G. Cast "Feeblemind" on the dragon after lowering magic resistance and using Greater Malison. The dragon will sit there like an idiot (which he now is! ;) ) and you can take him out quickly.

H. Have your thief surround the dragon with traps (this works on Firkraag and the Shadow Dragon, since they aren't initially hostile). Then lower resistance and Greater Malison the dragon, attack, and watch the traps do the rest.

Hopefully these strategies may help you. Good luck!

-Sazerac

<font color="gold">There are also a great number of good strategies over at Gamebanshee. ;) </font>

Something to add to your post, Sazerac.
1. Use Resistant Fodder ( fire elementals and efreetis for firkraag, skeleton warriors for Adalon). They will last longer. [img]smile.gif[/img]
2. I like to cast many, many, dooms, greater malison, magic resistance, and lower resistance on firkraag, and then cast the spell "Polymorph Other". Don't you just LOVE squirrels? Not me.
3. Yes, there are ways of memorizing and casting "Time Stop" without ToB or Shadowkeeper.

Its possible to cast time-stop in SoA repeatadly using Simulacrum and putting the scroll in your quikslot ... but i dont think memorizing is a to good idea, since you'll never get any 9th lvl spell-slots in SoA...

P.s. Gotta love those simulacrum's ... suddenly two immensly powerfull Kensai/mage's with Ring of Gaxx, Ring of ram, robe of vecna, dual wielding celestial fury and Dakkon's zerth blade ... well ..really,need i say more ? [img]graemlins/firedevil.gif[/img]

hit them really really hard ;)

Funny thing is, as soon as any fighter/mage .. or mage or that matter.. gets -spell immunity-, no single opponent stands much of a chance....

Spell immunity: abjuration , means that any protection you casted on yourself is allmost impossible to dispel ( there's only one spell in the entire game that dispells protections and isnt from the abjuration school )

A dragon unable to disable your Protection From Magic Weapons .. or stoneskins / mirror images and so on ... is a dead dragon.
Buffed up sufficiently, the only real effect you'll notice is the eventual sweaping away after a dragon buffet ... though you probably wont be damaged in the process.

I was able to toy with Fiirkraag, being a solo lvl 13/14 Kensai/mage
I didnt even memorize any damaging spells, since i wanted to turn him into a feebleminded blind squirrel with 3 strenght ... unfortunately he made all saves .. so i was forced to kill him ... took about 2 to 3 rounds once i actually tried to harm him.

what u do, is if its nurtral to you (frikragg) cast resistance on it (the helpful one) that was through a bug in the game his resistance will actually go down. then summon 3 or 4 markenians (sp) swords and make them attack the dragon head on then attack from the sides and the back. the dragon will focus all his/her attention on the swords which CANT be killed! after a while summon some more and send them up to the front to keep attack! then hack and slash and summon and cast and kick his/her scaley ass!!!

<font color="lightblue">1. If you are going to use Maguc Resistance; cast it at as low a level as possible. It gives something like 2% magic resistance per level of the caster and if this is lower than the subjects initial resistance, it will lower it to the set value. After you do this, cast "Lower Resistance" at as HIGH a level as possible.

2. Rest before you go in to fight; this is to have full HP and memorisation.

3. Spells to memorise- KNOW THE TYPE OF DRAGON. Against one that breaths fire (such as Firkraag), memorise all the protection from fire spells you can, no other protective spells. Use summons which are resistive to the element, as mentioned above. DO NOT memorise any other spells which use that element, as they will be useless.
EDIT Don`t forget the spells to remove the dragons defences. Things like breach, Warding Whip, etc. Also, spells to stop it casting spells- Insect Plague works quite well.

4. <font size=10>DO NOT</font> use traps. If you even use one trap against a dragon, even if it doesn`t do damage, the game will not give you any XP for killing it. This is true for Firkraag and the Shadow Dragon; so ir would be best to assume that it is also true for the many others in the game.

5. Have some of your party melee it, others use ranged weapons. Don`t stick to one if you can use both. Use the dragon helm, shield, and sword you find in the first part of Firkraags dungeon; and the most powerful weapons you have. There is a bow in Trademeet which fires phantom arrows- it works well, as does the Flail of Ages +3. </font>

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<font color="lightblue">Not a bug; it was actually meant to be there... </font>
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Bish, bosh and bash em that usually works ;)
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Now for some real advice, for people who are really stuggling to beat dragon's I recommend traps. Place 6 snare's around the unfortunate beastie and then attack. As soon as it turns hostile the traps will set off and the dragon will drop..............it kind of takes the challenge out of it, so this is a strategy best left to people who have lost days of sleep trying to kill the thing and are on the verge of throwing there PC out of the window.

If you are role-playing the game as much as possible, and/or as realistically as possible, then I would advise the following:

- Try to bypass and/or destory any protective spells the dragon may have raised.

- Try to avoid melee combat with the dragon. Instead, use ranged attacks and/or weapons. Many arrows will rarely miss their target, and attacking from a distance ensures a safe distance from the dragon's claws. Beware of a breath attack, though, as it is ususally particularly devestating.

Take care and good luck.

Prepare, prepare, prepare!!!

As Sazerac said, use the absolutely toughest available summoned monsters as cannon fodder. Summon them BEFORE casting your group buffing spells, since you want the buffing magics to help your summoned allies as well! ;) While a fire elemental may be able to resist Fiirkrag's fire damage, it may not be able to damage the dragon. Tough summoned monsters are more than capable of dealing out good damage on a dragon. Don't overlook this. But don't bother summoning animals. Bears may be tough, but they are as slow as molasses. A wing buffet practically takes them out of the battle.

Use all of the best buffing magics available. Prot. against Evil. Resist Fear. Haste. Stoneskin on mages. Major or minor globes of invulnerability on mages. Bless. You get the idea.

If you have 2 mages in your party, separate them.

If you have a cleric in your party, cast Holy Smite CONSTANTLY!!!

Have your mage(s) ready to cast breeching spells the INSTANT a dragon brings up stoneskins. Once your mage(s) is higher level, Horrid Wilting is an excellent spell. Comet (ToB 9th level spell) is excellent as well.

Archer kit characters are AWESOME dragonslayers. Ultra low THAC0's, so they'll never miss. Make it difficult for dragons to cast spells without being disrupted. Also, even if wing-buffetted, the long range of their bows mean that they have less ground to cover before they're back in range.

I think that it's useful to have a couple of your frontline melee characters engage the dragon in melee, along with your summoned monster allies. Definitely use any anti-dragon equipment you have, particularly the dragonslayer longsword. (double damage vs dragons).

SURROUND the dragon in melee so that a wing buffet can only affect a few of the melee-ers.

If you have a character that's taking serious damage, have that character run away and start sucking down the healing potions.

Once you've engaged the dragon, NEVER LET UP!!! Don't hold ANYTHING back! (Exception: To quote Darth Vader, "No Disintegrations!". You don't want to disintegrate whatever treasure the dragon may have.)

i just took on frikragg and he fell like a litte baby!!! what i did was i used strength of one, improved haste on my best fighter, haste on the rest, bless, then i summoned 2 mardakennians swords, but the swords in front of him, 3 people on the left and 3 on the right, then made the swords attack then casted LOWER resistance on him. then just fought him and fought and he charmed one member of my team but i took her out (he got to imoen) then he fell like a wuss!! hes not that hard if u can get mardakenians swords, cuz he will try to kill them when they wont die.

<font color="lightblue">Not a bug; it was actually meant to be there... </font>

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Magic Resistance (Alteration) Upon casting this spell, the recipient recieves resistance to all magic. The resistance conferred is 2% per level of the priest, up to a maximum of 40% at 20th level. This resistance is set so if the target already has more magic resistance than the priest would confer, it will actually lower it to the set value. This effect will last for the duration of the spell, or until dispelled.

</font>[/QUOTE]O, thanks for correcting me :D i thought i was a bug. i didnt use that tactic, i didnt wanna rest and memorize the spell so i just said f*ck it then attacked lol read above about one post to see how i did it. i thought it was gonna be harder

easy...send your woriors forward...keep two mages back (one would work but 2 are better) and cast 1-2 lower resistence...then a finger of death...and death he is!

How to kill a dragon... the same way you kill everything else, with brute force. There is nothing more satisfying then seeing your weapons cause a giant lizard fall and scream in pain.

<font color="gold">But as the Dragon also casts spells at you, it is good to have a spellcaster join the fight too. Much easier. [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>

About the cannon fodder, summon Spider Spawn!! I grew tired of my onslaught against the shadow dragon and then I summoned two sword spiders. They were hitting him 9-12 HP per attack, and they attack swift!!