I have just 3 questions for you to debate on :

1 - Why US should be the warrant of Freedom© and Democracy© ?

2 - Why does Bush refer to God© in every speech ?

3 - Why Iraq ?

Number 2 is easy:

My name it is nothing, my age it means less
The country I come from is a part of the Free West
I was taught and brought up there its laws to abide
And that the land that I live in has God on its side

Oh the history books tell it, they tell it so well
The cavalries charged, the Indians fell
The cavalries charged, the Indians died
For the country was young with God on its side

Oh the first World War, it came and it went
The reason for fighting I never could get
But I learned to accept it, accept it with pride
For you don’t count the dead when God’s on your side

And then the second World War, it came to an end
We forgave the Germans and now we are friends
Though they murdered six million, in the ovens they fried
The Germans now, too, have God on their side

But now we have weapons of chemical dust
And if fire them we’re forced to, why then fire them we must
One push of the button and a shot the worldwide
And you never ask questions when God’s on your side

‘tho many a long hour I’ve thought on this
That Jesus Christ was betrayed by a kiss
But I can’t think for you, you will have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot had God on his side

And now as I leave you, I’m weary as hell
The confusion I’m feelin’, there ain’t no tongue can tell
The words fill my head and drop to the floor
That if God’s on our side, he’ll stop the next war.

Is the answer to number 3 "because it's do-able?"

Very nice text Donut. Where does it come from ?

And no, I expect more elaborate answers for the question 3 that "Because we can". ;)

1) Is this what the US is doing? Seems to me the US is acting in it's best interest. So it would seem that being the warrant of Freedom© and Democracy© is in our best ineterest... so that's why we're doing it.

2) While Donut's lament is astoundingly melodramatic (I fear I shall have to find my fainting couch), it's also fairly accurate when you get down to it. Both sides of this conflict are thumping the Bible or Koran soo hard they must be getting sore fists.

3) 12 years, countless dead, WOMD, thumbing of nose at int'l community... and because no one else was ever going to get the backbone to do it?

Words and music by Bob Dylan although I remember it by Mannfred Mann. Written in 1964 it just goes to prove that if things don't change they stay as they are.

[ 03-27-2003, 10:39 AM: Message edited by: Donut ]

Words and music by Bob Dylan although I remember it by Mannfred Mann. Written in 1964 it just goes to prove that if things don't change they stay as they are.</font>[/QUOTE]That must be the saddest truism I ever read. :(

1.) Shouldn't everyone promote Freedom and Democracy? I don't think the US has told anyone they shouldn't. ;)

2.) Bush is a very religious man. He talked of God in speeches before the war with Iraq, before September 11th, and before he was elected. Once in a televised debate he actually **shock** mentioned Jesus. :eek:

People can dislike him for his policies, and people can believe he only says it for political reasons, but that is their belief, not necessarily the reason he does it. He has, and is entitled to, his own religious beliefs, and I've found him quite honest about them.

3.) My answer to this question is found on every page of this forum, so I won't bother posting it again here. [img]tongue.gif[/img] :D

It isn't, in the sense that you mean. Like every other government in the world, it acts on it's own best interests. However, luckily for people generally, it is in the USA's best interests to promote it's civilisation to the rest of the globe, and generally speaking it is a good one. People have significant political, religious and civil freedoms. The have rights that are still present even if they are being eroded day by day. Various thoroughly disgusting practises are outlawed, and empowerment of it's citizens is encouraged through free (though debateably fair in some cases ;) ) elections.

Why the US does it is a matter of debate, but I am just thankful that they do do it, along with other nations that share similar values. It strikes me as far superior to a fundamentalist nation stamping it's mark on the world.

Because that's what the people who write his speeches tell him to say, and he's probably banned from improvising.

As somebody already said, there are about 5,000,000,000,000,000 threads (rough estimate ;) ) about that issue at the various forums, so I'll not touch on it here.

As expected, Thoran and Ronn, you answered without really answering...

Especially on question 2.

I realize Bush is a very religious man, and there is nothing wrong about that, but has he the right to mix his belief with his way to govern the country ?

About the question 1, I asked it because I found out 2 things :
US is in the second place for the number of prisonners per 100 000 citizens (number 1 is Russia) and second, as well, for the number of executions (the first one being China). So here is the next question :

4 - Don't you find that paradoxal for a country that wanna teach Freedom© and Democracy© to others ?