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Originally posted by Q'alooaith:
I find it sickening, professional sports should not be segragated (well maybe mud wrestling should be)..
Point is, opertunity should be equal, skill shouold determin who get's to play rather than gender..
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You do realize that such a policy would spell the end of most women's professional sports? The LPGA is a professional organization, the women competing make money... not as much as the PGA but more than enough to entice less capable pro men to compete. The topic was already broached not long after the Annika thing happened, a young man tried to participate in an LPGA event. He was denied, but if the PGA was forced to accept women then the prescedent will be set... equal treatement will force the LPGA to open it's doors and be overwhelmed (except for a few top women) by men seeking to make enough money to make a go of it. And to the poster who thinks men would be too embarrased... LOL... we're talking about money here, most people don't worry much about appearances when there's tens of thousands of dollars on the line. What happens to the next generation of female talent when their league is swamped with men? Could Annika had gotten to where she is if she'd been competing against men just for the ability to play and make enough money at it to continue to develop her skills?
The law of unintended consequences is primed for major mayhem if gender blind professional sports becomes the norm.
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Originally posted by Q'alooaith:
Some of you have mentioned some women would be better than some men, well let them play instead of the men that they are better than..
I read half these post's and I see the worst kind of sexism, you play pretend that your for equal opertunity but then say "but they are not good enough anyway" or "they would get hurt"..
It's comments like these that get me so angry, your acting high and mighty saying men are better than women "because" with no reasons, but they should be treated as equal, upto a point..
You have All gone way down in my estimation.
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Sexism schmexism... anytime someone posts something another person doesn't want to hear they have to throw out some 'ism' where it doesn't belong. Don't paint people with your mile wide brush, it makes you look silly. I have not seen any sexism in any of the prior posts... no "women deserve to be in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant" posts. No "women aint smurt enuf to play no football" posts. No "Men are just superior to women in everything" posts. There were a couple posts that mentioned that women would be injured more often, there were a couple posts that mentioned that women would have trouble competing in highly physical events. It is not sexist to state the reality of the situation, however it is silly to pretend there are no differences between the sexes... hopefully that's not what you were trying to do.
Reality - When a 120lb person (male or female) is augered into the field by someone weighing up to twice as much there's going to be a higher likelyhood of that small framed person getting injured. The same holds true when the 230lb person is splattered by someone going 400+. In American Football they have rules to protect the quarterback because of this phenomena.
Reality - Women tend to be quite a bit smaller than men on average. There aren't many <120lb men, there are a LOT of <120lb women. There are not many FIT >180lb women, there are a LOT of FIT >180lb men.
I enjoy many watching womens sports (LPGA plays in my town every year, it's a great show), I don't want an ill concieved attempt at dictating membership policies to ruin that.
It's a good thing people aren't pushing for gender blindness in all sports (it's only the ones with the $$$$)... swimming (my sport) is a good example of how bad an idea this is. If women didn't have their own swimming events there would be no women competing at a high level.
Mens 100m breast record (short course) : 57.47
Womens 100m breast record (short course) : 1:05.09
I swam 1:05 breast times in high school... there are thousands (maybe tens of thousands of) of men between those times. Suggesting women and men should compete evenly in swimming would get you laughed at (by both)... it'd be TOTALLY unfair. Jones Leisel worked every bit as hard for her world record as Ed Moses did for his, and she deserves her record... not to be way down on a list of "Nongenderspecific swimming records"
Ahh... but perhaps you'd say you didn't mean those sorts of sports... only the one's where some women can be competitive eh? Well unless you're suggesting that we should allow women to play mens sports but not allow men to play womens sports (which WOULD be sexist) you'll end up with the same thing happening in most physically intensive sports... except for the Annika's out there women (many who worked extremely hard) will be overwhelmed by mediocre men because of the realities of the human body.