[Sir Kenyth]

Originally posted by Fljotsdale: Ok. I'm back! Wait for the feathers to start flying, lol! My own personal view first: Just so you know where I’m coming from: I do not know if there is a creator or not. Which makes me agnostic. But I have no belief whatever in any of the gods/religions mankind has ever created/worshipped. Which makes me atheist! My view. Ok. So I believe that when we die we are dead. BUT – just as the lives of others have sustained us in our short lives, we ourselves will sustain yet more lives in our death. We are part of the eco-system of this planet, we have been part of it from its beginning and will continue to be part of it until it goes out of existence. Those elements that make up our bodies will be used to make other bodies, and were part of other bodies before we were conceived. In that sense all life is eternal. Bible. If you want chapter and verse, ask me and I will provide them. Be warned – christian believers will contest every point I make! Adam was created from the dust of the ground and god breathed into him the breath of life and Adam ‘became a living soul’. He wasn’t GIVEN a soul – he BECAME a soul when he started breathing. He had the prospect of living forever as a human upon the earth. The Tree of Life was provided to ensure that he continued living forever. No prospect of life in heaven was offered to mankind at this point, and Adam was told to fill the earth and care for it. That was the only prospect held open for them – eternal life on earth as ageless, sinless human beings. After the fall, the option of eternal human life was lost. God provided a ransom to buy back what Adam had lost – eternal human life on earth. The Ransom was Jesus. Until the Ransomer was baptised, all who died were just dead, but God ‘remembered’ all of them, so he can raise them at the foretold time. After the death and resurrection of Jesus, some from among humanity were to be given authority to rule with him as spirits in heaven. Most of humanity, however, even those dead, were to have the opportunity of everlasting life as sinless humans on earth. After ‘The Great Day of God the Almighty’ , all ‘those in the memorial tombs will come out’ and be given the opportunity of whether to serve god and live forever on earth, or to deny god and enter ‘the second death’ from which there is no resurrection. This is just a VERY brief outline of what the bible says on the matter, and practically no christian will agree with it.

I do. That's very good. You're right though. A great number of christian religions argue the fine points of what this means. King James is the hardest bible to read, but is probably more accurate than other newer bibles that have been translated from it. Even KJ contains text that has been translated innumerable times. As we all know there is always a little lost in a translation.