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Old 04-30-2002, 04:09 PM   #33
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Originally posted by Azred:
Yes, laws need to change as a society changes, but those who wish to manipulate the system will do so whether the laws change or not.
The American Constitution may have some sections that are no longer applicable, but it cannot become "outdated"--human rights are timeless! Besides, even if something becomes "outdated" the Constitution allows itself to be amended....
Human rights are timeless, yes. And yes, you DO have the right to defend yourself. But not necessarily with lethal force. Learn some form of self defense, buy a stun gun or pepper spray. Don't buy a gun. Anyone who wishes to kill you from a distance, or starts running down the street shooting madly in all directions you don't have much chance of killing before he kills you anyway.

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Originally posted by Azred:
Owning a gun doesn't automatically make someone a vigilante, out to enforce the law as they interpret it. Also, are you suggesting that the majority of people are not trustworthy with guns?
Yes, the majority of people are not trustworthy with guns. The majority of people are a vast assembly if fools and idiots. Morons who can hardly be trusted with a piece of paper, much less a lethal weapon. And no, it does not automatically make someone a vigilante, but it automatically makes it a lot easier for them to kill someone. Even if they acquire it legally, and are perfectly legal with it at first there might some day arise something that makes them want to do something illegal with it, out of revenge for example. Or just pure hatred.

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Originally posted by Azred:

Should we not defend the rights that have been accorded us? Are we to let others take them away arbitrarily? Why?
We should defend our rights, yes. And our right to defend ourselves, of course. Our right to bear arms however, is not a basic human right. Even though criminals will still be able to get guns through other sources if they're banned it WILL be more difficult for them I believe.

And IF they are to be sold in gun stores then I believe that anyone who wishes to own one MUST undergo a severe mental checkup, they must also NEVER have committed even the SLIGHTEST crime. Or have any tendencies towards violence. Guns should only be sold to those who have no intention of using them whatsoever.
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