[AzRaeL StoRmBlaDe]

NEB:Well, refer to my comment on it, it gives you a chance to survive. I think that most thieves would rather just knock you out instead of being chased by the police for murder, but if you're threatening them with a gun I think that they'd rather shoot to live than risk their own lives.

ME: That would be reaching far to assume that most armed robbers that are willing to break into your housed to steal something from you wouldnt be willing to kill you regardless, In other words if they have a weapon they are likely to use it, whether its a Magnum or a baseball bat. If they are going to break into your house and they want to carry a weapon then they are going to do just that, and the outcome is going to be the same. Guns just give you a better chance to protect yourself. Say niether of you has a gun but the criminal outweighs you by 30 lbs. of muscle.
If they are breaking in your house and they dont have a gun and you do then you will be able to stop them. If they break in and neither of you have a gun, you probably wont be as lucky. If they break in and you both have guns, at least you are on an even playing field.


NEB:I think that the dictator thing is so far out that it cannot even be considered as a logical argument, besides that I don't think that the populace would do much good against the dictator's army even if they had guns.

ME: well the king of england was considered an evil dictator type when America won their independence. I know France, and most of Europe had a bunch of revolutions in the past due to the citizens thinking their leaders were the evil dictator type. I know many underdeveloped countries are going through this type of thing right now. The idea is not as far fetched as it might sounds considering that it has happened hundreds of time thropughout history

NEB:They would still be availiable to SOME of the criminal element. That which had the right connections. And it's somewhat harder to hide a gun, metal detectors should be able to find most. And while you can hide a small packet of cocaine up your anus I don't think it's quite as easy, and a lot more painful, to hide a Desert Eagle there.

ME:You completely overestimate our police force. If there is a demand for it it would be available. Takeing away guns would only serve to take guns away from the honest citizens looking to protect themselves. Criminals would still have guns readily available, I mean what do you think the average criminal is just going to hand over his guns once they become illegal? OF course not they are going to keep them and keep using them for crime.

NEB:I've already commented on the defenseless part. I think that it'll put the average gun owner in more danger than it'll protect him from. And besides that there is STILL the "kids getting their hands on the guns" argument which you did not reply to.

ME:We need to teach kids to respect guns at a young age that way they wouldnt pull down a gun and treat it as a toy. If parents took the time to educate kids on guns almost all of our problems with that would be taken care of.

NEB: Let us say that John owns a gun, he gets VERY depressed, sees his gun, and shoots himself. Now if he did NOT have a gun he might not kill himself since he did not have as easy or painless a way, if he could not buy a gun he could not have one, and I doubt that your average guy would have the right connections to get a gun illegally. Or have any idea about how to make them.[/QB][/QUOTE]

ME:IF John didnt have a gun to kill himself im sure if he was serious about it he would find another way. John grabs a few pills, a bottle of vodka and a razor, by the time he is done with the pills and the vodka John cant feel a thing so he slits his wrists. . . The coroner says that he took enough sleeping pills with the vodka that he would have been dead in 20 minutes anyways, poor depressed John.

EDIT: i screwed up the quote thing pretty bad here I hope you can still understand the post. Sorry again about the confusion. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 05-23-2002, 07:41 PM: Message edited by: AzRaeL StoRmBlaDe ]