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Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
Yorick, you're prejudiced on the issue. You are guilty of exactly what I suggested -- deciding the outcome and then reverse engineering a reason to justify it. You need to do some soul-searching.
I've disproved your argument about 3 different ways, appealed to your sensibilities, and now I'm done. You simply can't see it, and that combined with you moving into what I affectionately call "Yorick Argue-with-stop-sign Stubborn Mode" ("YASM"), I'm going to bow out of the debate before I wind up banging my head on my desk.
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I see no reason why child rearing couples shouldn't be given breaks that nonchildrearing couples don't.
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Me either -- gay couples rear children. Statistically more successfully than straight couples, btw.
Oh, and the gay couple I saw on TV last night were rearing their OWN children. Each man had used the same surrogate mother to have his own children. Since they used the same mother, the children were even legitimately blood brothers and sisters. But, you want to cut them out of the loop based on some trumped up reason.
It's like picking any arbitrary factor to hang your argument on. It's the logical equivalent of saying gay couples can't wed because the don't have missionary sex. Or saying they can't wed because they can't have penis/vagina intercourse. These are all differences, but none offer a logical distinction.
As I said, I'm bowing out. I don't truck with those who discriminate. Prejudice is rooted in illogic, so one can't defeat it through using logic. Logic is basically all I know to use, so faced with an impossible task of changing your prejudice, I'll simply bow out.
Bye guys. See you next thread. [/QUOTE]As I said, I'm not seeking negative discrimination, but positive encouragement based on assessment of social ills and what I believe makes for mental health in individuals.
I am not prejudging anyone and don't appreciate accusations that suggest I am. I am pointing out the obvious - that gay couples cannot procreate - and arguing for some sort of social encouragement be given to couples that are creating life.
And yes, if you'll notice, as a result of this thread I have moved from "possible" to "actual" creation of life, so yes that means giving couples that are creating life breaks that are not given to childless couples.
Somehow, if society is not to completely fall apart, the nuclear family and then the extended family needs to be encouraged and supported.