Here's the poop... the original discussion began at Tarnas where I took exception to the inference that the statement I have now listed in 3 seperate polls (Here, Tarnas and Sorcerors) MUST be considered as true absent any evidence posted to the contrary.
I maintain that its ridiculous on its face and needs no "evidence" to say so and any reasonable discussion on the topic of torture should begin by removing such blatant overstatements from the table. The fellow holding the view declined to do so and things mostly went down hill from there...
To any newcomers to this thread please read the statement and vote as you see it.