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Originally posted by Rokenn: Smoking is a vile disgusting habit. Your right to pollute your body ends when I'm forced to breath in the by-products of your self-destructive behaviour. Personally I feel it should be outlawed and the executives of the cigarette companies should be tried for crimes against humanity.

I agree. They are crimes against humanity. Jail em, sue em, and close their evil blood money empires down.

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: BTW, in NYC shortly after the ban, a bartender kept telling a patron to put his cigarette out. The patron finally, after the fifth or sixth demand, pulled out a knife and stabbed the bartender in the heart, killing him. Now, that's horrible. The patron should have targeted the SOURCE of his angst.

If there were a total ban of smoking in pubs he would not be in there smoking!
He should have taken his angst out on the scum who lured him into being an addict. See above [img]graemlins/heee.gif[/img]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: It is fundamental that I own myself. Ergo, my life is mine to risk. Now, if you want to prohibit my insurance or legal recovery based on me being stupid enough to not wear a seatbelt, that is fine. But, forcing me to strap myself in while driving is, quite literally, wrongful imprisonment.

This is a side issue, the focal point is, have you or anybody the fundamental right to (1) pollute the air I breathe creating an undeniable and immediate danger to my children’s life and me. A good subject to read up on would be the clean air case you are working on at the moment [img]graemlins/heee.gif[/img] I'm sure you have raised a few good points in there about the publics right to breathe fresh air over an individual or company’s right to pollute. Just apply them to this argument. (2) Remove my rights to go anywhere normally accessible to the public because I might put myself at danger due to an addict’s uncontrollable urge to spread cancer and bad smells. Is this not wrongful exclusion?


Timber once these smoking laws are brought in, within a year, pubs and cafes will be full again and not smoking would be an accepted norm. In Australia these arguments are soooo years ago [img]smile.gif[/img] society moves on to more pressing problems and people have accepted the new "lines in the sand" of where smoking is acceptable and where it is considered aggressive. One of the many benefits for smokers is that because there is a well defined line of what is acceptable they face less aggression and more sympathy from non smokers, less clashes in bars, less fights in restaurants. All in all a win win situation. Non smokers are not out to crush you, just reclaim our share of air and public space [img]tongue.gif[/img]