[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by Lil Lil: I most certainly did mean to say what I did. I am not the one who made the minority statement to begin with and keep in mind that the population of Murphy NC is less that 1300. If you've never resided in a small town you can't even comprehend what I am saying so I can understand why some of you would want to argue on Cerek's behalf but it's beyond me why you can't let it go unless you support the town itself or you are really that anal about the use of the English language in politically sensitive contexts....unless you just like arguing with me personally. Maybe you should ask yourself why you can't let it go. Maybe you should ask yourself why you so rudely disregard everyone's opinion about small towns that contradict your own limited experience. After all, you are only one person, living one life on this planet. You are not the see all/know all guru regarding small towns just because you've lived in a couple, but you are the only person in this thread that has told everyone else they can't comprehend what your saying about small towns. The truth is that we do comprehend what you say just fine, but we still think you are wrong. There is a difference...lol. It seems to me your bad experiences in small towns have clouded your views about the subject so heavily that you believe no one else need comment. Like your limited experience has given you have some special insight into ALL small towns in America despite the fact that your experience can't even begin to touch one-tenth, of one-thousandth, of one percent of small town America. Sorry, but that idea is laughable. Maybe you should ask yourself if you're sure it's everyone else that is having the comprehension problem. BTW, you ARE the one who made the minority statement that is in question, not John Walsh. You said that in a small town, a small minority of the population is pretty much everyone and that even Cerek should know that. Well, Cerek shouldn't know that and neither should anyone else because a small minority can NEVER EVER be pretty much everyone whether you are talking about the population of a small town, the population of a nation, or the population of the Asian Sub-Continent. "Pretty much everyone" is a large majority of any population as Donut pointed out. That statement is completely incorrect. Worse than that, is the fact that the actual derogatory meaning behind that statement is judgmental of a group of people you have no direct knowledge of, and that the statement is made despite the statements of an actual citizen. Any IW members who live in small towns in this country know what I said applies not just to Murphy but to all small towns across this country...if you don't support the way in which your community operates it is not very likely that you are going to stay there. No they don't, so stop speaking for everyone. IW members who live in small towns in this country DO NOT ALL KNOW what you said applies. Just because you think it true doesn't mean everyone else feels the same why. Why would you think that your opinion is so universal? Whether or not the whole community offered Rudolph help out of their own hands, the people who live there support the fanaticism that reigns by staying and by not making any attempt to change popular views. The popular views are not the fanatical ones. The popular views are the ones held by the majority. If only a small minority hold the views they can't be very popular. The fanatical views are the small minority views, i.e., they are not the popular ones. Fanaticism may have reigned in your small town, but it's not the norm. You've just been unlucky if every small town you've lived in operated as you've described. I don't think anyone is "confused" or believes that John Walsh meant the statement "literally" when he said it in a nationally public forum and in defense of the case in hopes gaining more information from the community. See another thread with an article on terrorist sympathizers here Well, eye rolling smilie or not, I don't think you are in a position to say whether or not John Walsh meant what he said, just as I don't think you are in a position to make definite, sweeping statements about small towns in general. The only confusion is based on what you post, verses what you say that post means, and the fact that what you posted rarely fits the explanation. You may want to ask yourself, why people think you've posted something you say you didn't. [img]tongue.gif[/img] It's John Walsh's job to be sympathetic with people who could feed information into a case that is prosecuting a person who kills innocent people and terrorizes communities. It's John Walhs' job to be sensitive to the progress of open cases. So Rudolph was physically helped by a few...that doesn't mean that they were the only people who knew he was there and you can look at Mr. Bman's last post for confirmation of that fact (up to the word "but" where he gets sarcastic). Do you honestly think that if John Walsh said outrightly that the whole community knew (knew, not helped) or that the whole community supported him (hey, notice no one turned him in for being there with the exception of ONE WOMAN) that it wouldn't hinder the Department of Justice's progress in the case? Neither do I and I don't blame him for being sensitive to an open case where the stakes for getting a conviction are high and the means of getting information is so delicate. Maybe you should ask yourself, "Is that Mr. Walsh's job", or does that explanation just fit Moni's opinion on the matter? The people who helped Rudolph the most during his hiding were his family. Imagine that, it wasn't nearly all of the backward mountain folks, it was just a small group, most of whom were related to him! The "sarcastic" remark of mine defines the statement and without it the statement is worthless. The large majority of people DID NOT know where he was or help hide him, but they MAY have heard rumors, and rumor after rumor was investigated by both the FBI and local officials. The tips from people who heard rumors resulted in no results because they weren't based on fact in the first place. Lots of tips came in, but none of them washed because they were rumor, but it wasn't that the rumors were all kept secret in order to "keep them thare G-men from finding Rudolph and grandma's still in the backyard." Would it make you feel better to know that the community I grew up in and moved away from did bad things to innocent people? I'd list them but I'd rather not feed you all things to cheer about. Feel better? Cheer about? What a ridiculous and rude statement. Yes, Cloudy, Cerek, Memnoch, and everyone else is just waiting to hear your callous stories so we can cheer because that's the kind of people we are. We don't agree with Moni, so we must be the kind of people who would feel better, and even cheer when we hear about bad things happening to innocent people. What a stupid insinuation. [img]smile.gif[/img] "What's that you say Moni? You say you didn't say or insinuate anything like that about anyone (despite the fact that your quote is less than an inch from this response), and that if I'm thinking that then I should ask myself why." Well, I have asked myself why, and the answer is as simple now as it's always been when you make your standard responses. The fact is that you were rude in making that statement, and that the statement you made was ridiculous, that's why I said, "what a rude and ridiculous statement" regarding the above quote. Not because it surprised me that you would post it, but because it was rude and ridiculous. Look, you people can be as prejudice as you want; you can support all the prejudice and fanatical communities in this country with all the gusto you have if that's what you want to do; that doesn't mean I have to and it doesn't mean that I am wrong because I don't. You can take your accusations of prejudice and stick them were the sun doesn't shine because you, of all people, have no right to judge anyone, so keep your self-righteous, STUPID BS to yourself. I'm glad I knew you weren't talking about me being prejudiced because I may have said things about your heritage that might have gotten me suspended. Even though you obviously weren't talking about me, I won't sit here an watch you say things like that about Memnoch, Cloudy, Cerek, and everyone else who opposed your views in this thread. That kind of name-calling comes from a place about as low on the evolutionary chain as you can get, but again, I'm not surprised you did it. I am as happy as all of the sincere posts made here that Rudolph was accidentally captured by rookie a cop on routine patrol. Sincere posts? That wording would suggest that there are insincere posts regarding happiness at the capture Rudolph in this thread. Another Moni BS special of course. Somehow, in your mind, those who've oppose your views on small towns are actually being insincere, and you are suggesting that they wish he'd NOT been caught. What utter ROT! I also stand by the statement that Murhpy, NC is not a place I want to view in any media shows. Please do stand by your statement, and we'll all take it for exactly what it's worth. Seems to me you've formed quite an opinion of Murphy based on the media attention it's received. Why stop looking at the information about it now...lol? BTW, I'm not trying to tell you how you feel about anything with this post, I'm just trying to tell you to get a grip.

[ 06-03-2003, 04:44 PM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]