Ninja-Assasain idea

Xen · 09-22-2003, 10:31 AM

I know that TDD(The Darkest Day)has Ninja kit but i hate it and it is very buggy. My Ninja will be Assasain(Thief kit):

STR 14
DEX 25
CON 11
INT 15
WIS 8
CHR 6

What do you say? Do you think it is over powered? Since Ninja`s were agile i gave him DEX 25.

Weapons:
Grandmaster of Daggers and Darts

HiS=100
MS=100

They were very quiet almost invisible.

HiS=Hide In Shadows
MS=Move Silently

What do you say? What about spells? You know to blind the enemy for a second. I was thinkhing something like Blindness going better with levels.(Is it possible to do it with IEEP? If,how?)

What do you say?

Armen · 09-22-2003, 10:44 AM

i reckon 25 DEX is kinda unjustifiable for a kit bounus - what is it about 4 or 5 free levels of thief skill points equivalent and +3 odd on AC?

are you looking to build a kit or a character? i reckon that a fighter/mage/thief with either assassin or kensai shadowkeepered in (tough call) and a restriction to buff type spells is pretty close to a ninja

ideally it would be dualled kensai (13) -> assassin (21) -> mage but that ain't happening

a bit of monk would be nice too . . .

[ 09-22-2003, 10:53 AM: Message edited by: Armen ]

Indemaijinj · 09-22-2003, 10:53 AM

I think the Ninja should be a monk kit with seriously nerfed bare-hand attacks, but better stealth and some backstabbing capability.

Devv · 09-22-2003, 01:26 PM

I would use the assasin kit as a base. Remove his pick-pockets, lock picking, set traps and the HLA traps along with the UAI HLA too. Keep the X7 backstab and poison weapon abilities.

A nice way to do his stealth would be to do it like a rangers where you don't spec it. This lets him stick a whole load of points into detect/remove traps and detect illusions, maybe 15 points per level like the assasin.

I think 25 dexterity seems too much. I would keep it to 20 to start with. Strength to 16 and constitution to 14, a -2 ac start with another -1 to ac every 5 levels and + 1 to hit and damage to start off with. I would also give him a re-named version of the bezerk spell, once a day per every 5 levels. Might sound silly, but I would call it something like "Ninja Focus." The idea being, he is so focused on his target that he achieves a great mind over matter state and gets a whole load of immunities and bonuses. A constant natural immunity to haste, slow and fear would be nice too since he is so focused and his state of mind is hard to alter. A permanent +1 to movement rate would be nice too. (not to attack speed jsut run speed)

3 slots in Dart, Scimitar/Waki/Ninja-To, Dagger, Short Sword. Only allow him to use piercing weapons too, don't allow the scimitar,katana or long sword and things like that. It can be done coz druids have the ability to use and spec in scimitars but can't use the piercer weapons of that spec like ninja-to...the ninja wouldbe opposite. Since most of his work is done close up, he wouldn't have much need for a big slashing weapon.

I wouldn't allow him to wear any armour at all, but bracers and that would be fine. This stacked with his ac bonuses would make a decent armour class.

Altogether this would be a strong class, but the idea is that he would die in most heavy fighting situations, unless you carefully use his bezerk spells and the thief HLA's from ToB like evasion and avoid death.

[ 09-22-2003, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: Devv ]

Zuvio · 09-22-2003, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Xen:

STR 14
DEX 25
CON 11
INT 15
WIS 8
CHR 6

What do you say? Do you *think* it is over powered? Since Ninja`s were *agile* i gave him DEX 25.

Naaaaahhhhhhhh .....

Seriously, Elves are agile, ninjas maybe a little bit more. 20 DEX ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM if you wanna give him a real edge, but also bodyarmor = NO NO in that case!

Xen · 09-22-2003, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zuvio:

quote:
Originally posted by Xen:

STR 14
DEX 25
CON 11
INT 15
WIS 8
CHR 6

What do you say? Do you *think* it is over powered? Since Ninja`s were *agile* i gave him DEX 25.

Naaaaahhhhhhhh .....

Seriously, Elves are agile, ninjas maybe a little bit more. 20 DEX ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM if you wanna give him a real edge, but also bodyarmor = NO NO in that case! [/QUOTE]OK,OK!

I will give him 20 DEX and no Armor.

09-22-2003, 10:53 AM	#3
Indemaijinj Symbol of Cyric Join Date: June 15, 2002 Location: Denmark Age: 44 Posts: 1,163	I think the Ninja should be a monk kit with seriously nerfed bare-hand attacks, but better stealth and some backstabbing capability. __________________ The Bleak Caballero<br /><br />Proud and original member (and secret admirer) of the Pro-Mazzy movement.

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09-22-2003, 10:31 AM	#1
Xen Symbol of Moradin Join Date: June 5, 2002 Location: Slovenia,Ljubljana Age: 37 Posts: 8,554	I know that TDD(The Darkest Day)has Ninja kit but i hate it and it is very buggy. My Ninja will be Assasain(Thief kit): STR 14 DEX 25 CON 11 INT 15 WIS 8 CHR 6 What do you say? Do you think it is over powered? Since Ninja`s were agile i gave him DEX 25. Weapons: Grandmaster of Daggers and Darts HiS=100 MS=100 They were very quiet almost invisible. HiS=Hide In Shadows MS=Move Silently What do you say? What about spells? You know to blind the enemy for a second. I was thinkhing something like Blindness going better with levels.(Is it possible to do it with IEEP? If,how?) What do you say?

09-22-2003, 10:44 AM	#2
Armen Symbol of Cyric Join Date: February 11, 2003 Location: UK Age: 55 Posts: 1,375	i reckon 25 DEX is kinda unjustifiable for a kit bounus - what is it about 4 or 5 free levels of thief skill points equivalent and +3 odd on AC? are you looking to build a kit or a character? i reckon that a fighter/mage/thief with either assassin or kensai shadowkeepered in (tough call) and a restriction to buff type spells is pretty close to a ninja ideally it would be dualled kensai (13) -> assassin (21) -> mage but that ain't happening a bit of monk would be nice too . . . [ 09-22-2003, 10:53 AM: Message edited by: Armen ]

09-22-2003, 01:26 PM	#4
Devv The Magister Join Date: August 19, 2003 Location: Amn, city of coin Age: 43 Posts: 138	I would use the assasin kit as a base. Remove his pick-pockets, lock picking, set traps and the HLA traps along with the UAI HLA too. Keep the X7 backstab and poison weapon abilities. A nice way to do his stealth would be to do it like a rangers where you don't spec it. This lets him stick a whole load of points into detect/remove traps and detect illusions, maybe 15 points per level like the assasin. I think 25 dexterity seems too much. I would keep it to 20 to start with. Strength to 16 and constitution to 14, a -2 ac start with another -1 to ac every 5 levels and + 1 to hit and damage to start off with. I would also give him a re-named version of the bezerk spell, once a day per every 5 levels. Might sound silly, but I would call it something like "Ninja Focus." The idea being, he is so focused on his target that he achieves a great mind over matter state and gets a whole load of immunities and bonuses. A constant natural immunity to haste, slow and fear would be nice too since he is so focused and his state of mind is hard to alter. A permanent +1 to movement rate would be nice too. (not to attack speed jsut run speed) 3 slots in Dart, Scimitar/Waki/Ninja-To, Dagger, Short Sword. Only allow him to use piercing weapons too, don't allow the scimitar,katana or long sword and things like that. It can be done coz druids have the ability to use and spec in scimitars but can't use the piercer weapons of that spec like ninja-to...the ninja wouldbe opposite. Since most of his work is done close up, he wouldn't have much need for a big slashing weapon. I wouldn't allow him to wear any armour at all, but bracers and that would be fine. This stacked with his ac bonuses would make a decent armour class. Altogether this would be a strong class, but the idea is that he would die in most heavy fighting situations, unless you carefully use his bezerk spells and the thief HLA's from ToB like evasion and avoid death. [ 09-22-2003, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: Devv ]

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