Different Planes of Existance - Need Opinions

[DJG]

I'm wondering what all of you think about there being different planes of existance. Another universe that exists parallel to our own, not accessible by conventional means.

Do you think it's possible? I'd like scientific, mathematical, philosophical and everyones opinion!

Thanks
DJG

[DJG]

Oops! Forgot to say my own! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

My opinion is that other planes of existance do exist, and there is some way to get into them, just no mortals have quite worked it out yet!


DJG

[Vaskez]

Depends how you define planes. I guess you could say that there are an infinite number of planes to represent the infinite possibilities in space and time. If you think of time as a path with many possible turnings you could take any turning but the other branches of the path will still carry on even though you are not on them. They exist in a parallel universe. I believe this.

Can we assume that planes are extrapolations of dimensions? For example our plane resides in the first 5 dimensions? They say we can move freely in the 3 dimensions of space, we move in a straight line in the 4th dimension of time and we stand still on a spot in the 5th dimension. But what is beyond that? If you believe in the infinite universes of the infinite possibilities of time, we can say that there are parrallel universes that exist in the same physical space yet we do not perceive them as they are on an alternative time plane. If you catch my drift.

Scientifically speaking, I have heard scientists speaking about 15th dimensions etc. For example the super-string theory about everything, even space being made up of super strings that reside in the (I can't remember) something like 8th and 9th dimensions. They can apparently detect them in a way that a 2D world might detect the 3rd dimension. In a 2D world if a 3D man steps on it, the 2D world will detect his shadow as well as the infinitely thin sole of his foot. In the same way apparently, scientists have detected the shadow of these super-strings from teh higher dimensions. I'm a bit skeptical...you should read up on the super-string theory as it's probably the closest you'll get to scientific "evidence" for higher dimensions and other planes existing.

[andrewas]

Someones stolen my copy of "universe in a nutshell" and will therefore die. But I remember that one of the unification theories being tossed around allows (and in some interpretations insists on) alternate realities at a finite distance <1CM from this one. But thats just a theory, no one can prove it. And it dosent allow any way of getting to these alternate realities, although communication may be possible. If someones listening that is.

For myself, I cant follow the math. I do think there are realities, but I dont think well be getting to them any time soon. We cant even exceed lightspeed in our own reality, getting out of it has to be more difficult than that.

[daan]

The first theory of parallel universes was a result of a scientific experiment.

When you shoot electrons at a wall with several holes in them, you get a diffuse-pattern ( not english, my english scientific language may not make any sense at all ).
Kinda like making holes in cardboard, putting it in front of a wall and shining light on it. You'll see a pattern of dark/light.

Weird thing was, that the patterns seen, werent consistent with their predictions. They were all slightly off, every time. It didnt make a lot of sense.

Out of this inconsistency a theory was born:
Every particle has an anti-particle. A particle with exactly the same mass, but opposite charge. F.e. An electron has a -1 charge, its anti-particle is called a "posi-tron" and has the exact same mass, but a charge of +1.

The theory basically said that these particles were interfering with eachother, causing the slighly off patterns.

Beware though, these particles dont collide, dont ever touch eachother.
This is because these particles are born from one Foton ( quantum-mechanic energy packet ). If these two colide, they again form one or more fotons.
Fotons dont have mass, but mass cant just vanish.
Instead, its converted to energy using E = mc²

The ENTIRE masses of both particles are converted to energy that way.
c = speed of light = big number ... c² = really big number

The incredible blast an atomic bomb produces, comes forth from the fact that a nucleus splits and forms two new ones of about the same mass. Some mass is left behind and is then converted to energy ... this is usually something like 0.3 % IIRC.

o.3% causes hiroshima to go boom ... so if a particle collides with its anti-particle and 100% gets converted into energy, causing a chain-reaction ......
[img]graemlins/jawdrop.gif[/img]

Anywayz, that's a scientific way of "proving" a parallel dimension, because there's an exact duplicate of everybody and everything around.

EDIT:
the strings of the superstring-theory reside in 11 dimensions

[ 01-06-2003, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: daan ]

[Vaskez]

Come on daan if you're so clever you should know that photon is not spelled with an f and you should know the speed of light off by heart! [img]tongue.gif[/img] 3x10^8 m/s

[daan]

Another one comes from stephen hawking ...
It is said that if you could travel faster than light, you could travel to both the future and the past ( some people ask themselves if you travel to the past or the future .. well .. you can travel to both [img]smile.gif[/img] )

But if that's true .. why hasnt it happened yet,.. why havent the humans of the future visited us yet ?

According to Hawking there are only two possibilities:
1. You cant travel fasten than light
2. There are indeed parallel dimensions .. travelling through time makes you travel through dimensions. You'll not only go back in time, but go to another dimension too.

Dimensions are a pain in the ass
We cant really understand nr.4 yet
nr.5 is possibility IIRC.. at every point in time, you could do an infinite number of things. If you stick out your left hand now, in another dimension .. you just stuck out your right [img]tongue.gif[/img] in another maybe you didnt do anything at all, etc. etc.
That way you get quite a lot of dimensions .. if they exist

EDIT:
Photon ... its not my fault you english people dont now how to spell Foton.

[ 01-06-2003, 04:25 PM: Message edited by: daan ]

[andrewas]

Daan, that has nothing to do with positrons. The interference is from alternate versions of the *same* particle. Or alternatively the interference results from the wavelength of the electron only allowing certain paths to be consistent. Depends on which side of the wavicle paradox you're on at the time. Isn't Quantum Mechanics fun?

Amd, if positrons were that easy to make, humanity woudnt exist anymore. Hiroshima would be a damp squib compared to a M/AM bomb.

[daan]

[img]tongue.gif[/img] It had to happen sometime,.. just too much information I have to learn.
Im mixing stuff up
Ah well.. gotta go do something unintellectual to cleans myself now

P.s. Read an article a little while ago, that they're doing pretty good on the anti-matter front. Pruduced 500 something ( µmol I hope . .wouldnt want humanity to be able to produce that stuff on big scales )

EDIT: Quantum mechanics make me wanna cry

[ 01-06-2003, 04:35 PM: Message edited by: daan ]

[Rokenn]

Originally posted by daan: o.3% causes hiroshima to go boom ... so if a particle collides with its anti-particle and 100% gets converted into energy, causing a chain-reaction ...... [img]graemlins/jawdrop.gif[/img]

If I recall correctly hydrogen (fusion) bombs convert 1% of mass to energy. Or course it takes that 0.3% conversion from a fission explosion to compress the hydrogen to start the fusion reaction.

I have heard that Lawerence Livermore labs has a new computer system coming on line that may allow them to develop pure fusion bombs, so you can have the big boom with little to no nasty long term radiation to clutter things up.