Khalid levels up and gets worse!!!

ryaldin · 10-05-2002, 08:59 PM

O.k. finished the 'iron crisis' in the nashkel mines. I came out, and a few of my players were ready to level up; My character, imoen, and khalid. I level up myself and imoen, and everything is fine. I level up khalid, and i found out that his saving throws get worse!!!

As a level one fighter, his saving throws were:
14
11
13
15
12

and after i leveled him up, he had

14
16
15
17
17

He got worse!!!! Ahhhhhh!!!!! Why?????? why??..?...?.......

Lord Brass · 10-05-2002, 09:15 PM

I can't say that I've ever noticed, but that may be because I never take the annoying b*gger long enough! That certainly is strange. Without checking to see his .CRE file (I believe that's where they're stored) I can't really say. You didn't have any spell effects or items running that you might have changed? That sort of thing shouldn't really do it I know, but you never know.

It would certainly explain alot about Khalid's performance though.

ryaldin · 10-05-2002, 09:35 PM

nope. nothin at all. He's just standing there, no spells, no enchantments, all the normail stuff. a bow, splint mail, a helmet, and a long sword. no rings or anything. AHHHHH!!! You can just go ahead and slot khalid right along next to kobolds.

andrewas · 10-06-2002, 07:38 AM

That is odd. Very odd. Possibly the designers intended him to get some massive bonus but never explained the rules to the work experience boy

Telchar of Nogrod · 10-06-2002, 10:53 AM

Those first level save numbers seem way too low. The second level numbers seem about right. I don't know why or how your mishap occurred, but I sugest to just keep on playing and see what happens next level.

10-06-2002, 07:02 PM

Well, we all know Khalid is a weak fighter, or atleast me. For a fighter, he has to many morale breaks and panics too much. It pisses me off.

Lord Brass · 10-06-2002, 07:51 PM

The question is, if BG follows the core 2nd Ed rules, the first set of stats aren't even valid for a fighter. The second set of 14, 16, 15 etc, are for fighters in the Level 1-2 category.

Maybe the designers thought that Khalid wouldn't survive the player's assault once they'd seen that bad boy in action for the first time! [img]smile.gif[/img] If he survived that, they might of thought that you'd keep him on the books and restructure his saves properly.

ryaldin · 10-06-2002, 10:47 PM

Well, i started a new game, new character, rushed past everything, and made a rather quick dash do the friendly arm inn. Talk to khalid and jaheira, blah blah, blah, long story short, his stats were
14
11
13
15
12

unreasonably high for a first level fighter. Now i'm confused as to how someone can start off with such high saving throws. i just don't get it. Do you think it's designed this way, or that it's a game flaw? And i haven't had a chance to play khalid very far into the game. Has anyone else seen this anomoly, and whether or not his saves ever get that good later in the game?

I wish my name was Baggins · 10-07-2002, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord Brass:
I can't say that I've ever noticed, but that may be because I never take the annoying b*gger long enough!.

Amen Lord Brass, I have to admit that although I am usually a Kahlid fan and was carrying him with me throughout my game, I do have to admit that with the inception of the all thief party that my party is much more pleasant to play with. With Kahlid and Jaheria out of the picture.

NiceWorg · 10-09-2002, 11:51 AM

Khalids saving throws on his maximum (7th?) level with normal equipment:

10
12
11
12
13

Maybe its just a small flaw in game design.

10-05-2002, 08:59 PM	#1
ryaldin Elminster Join Date: April 23, 2002 Location: Helena, MT Age: 42 Posts: 458	O.k. finished the 'iron crisis' in the nashkel mines. I came out, and a few of my players were ready to level up; My character, imoen, and khalid. I level up myself and imoen, and everything is fine. I level up khalid, and i found out that his saving throws get worse!!! As a level one fighter, his saving throws were: 14 11 13 15 12 and after i leveled him up, he had 14 16 15 17 17 He got worse!!!! Ahhhhhh!!!!! Why?????? why??..?...?....... __________________ [img]\"http://userpic.livejournal.com/10817323/260901\" alt=\" - \" /><br />\"My style? You could call it the art of fighting without really fighting.\"<br /><br />\"Something vexes thee?\"

10-05-2002, 09:15 PM	#2
Lord Brass Emerald Dragon Join Date: September 17, 2001 Location: Good ol\' Blighty Age: 53 Posts: 913	I can't say that I've ever noticed, but that may be because I never take the annoying b*gger long enough! That certainly is strange. Without checking to see his .CRE file (I believe that's where they're stored) I can't really say. You didn't have any spell effects or items running that you might have changed? That sort of thing shouldn't really do it I know, but you never know. It would certainly explain alot about Khalid's performance though. __________________ <b>I\'ve submitted to the Choc!</b>

10-05-2002, 09:35 PM	#3
ryaldin Elminster Join Date: April 23, 2002 Location: Helena, MT Age: 42 Posts: 458	nope. nothin at all. He's just standing there, no spells, no enchantments, all the normail stuff. a bow, splint mail, a helmet, and a long sword. no rings or anything. AHHHHH!!! You can just go ahead and slot khalid right along next to kobolds. __________________ [img]\"http://userpic.livejournal.com/10817323/260901\" alt=\" - \" /><br />\"My style? You could call it the art of fighting without really fighting.\"<br /><br />\"Something vexes thee?\"

10-06-2002, 07:38 AM	#4
andrewas Harper Join Date: October 2, 2001 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland Age: 43 Posts: 4,774	That is odd. Very odd. Possibly the designers intended him to get some massive bonus but never explained the rules to the work experience boy __________________ [img]\"http://www.sighost.us/members/Zvijer/andrewas.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

10-06-2002, 10:53 AM	#5
Telchar of Nogrod Drow Warrior Join Date: September 2, 2001 Location: NYC Age: 58 Posts: 267	Those first level save numbers seem way too low. The second level numbers seem about right. I don't know why or how your mishap occurred, but I sugest to just keep on playing and see what happens next level. __________________ \"Here once was light, that the Valar begrudged to Middle-earth, but now dark levels all. Shall we mourn here deedless forever, a shadow-folk, mist haunting, dripping vain tears in the thankless sea?\"<br />Feanor at Tirion upon Tuna, Of the Flight of the Noldor, The Silmarillion

10-06-2002, 07:02 PM	#6
SecretMaster Guest Posts: n/a	Well, we all know Khalid is a weak fighter, or atleast me. For a fighter, he has to many morale breaks and panics too much. It pisses me off.

10-06-2002, 07:51 PM	#7
Lord Brass Emerald Dragon Join Date: September 17, 2001 Location: Good ol\' Blighty Age: 53 Posts: 913	The question is, if BG follows the core 2nd Ed rules, the first set of stats aren't even valid for a fighter. The second set of 14, 16, 15 etc, are for fighters in the Level 1-2 category. Maybe the designers thought that Khalid wouldn't survive the player's assault once they'd seen that bad boy in action for the first time! [img]smile.gif[/img] If he survived that, they might of thought that you'd keep him on the books and restructure his saves properly. __________________ <b>I\'ve submitted to the Choc!</b>

10-06-2002, 10:47 PM	#8
ryaldin Elminster Join Date: April 23, 2002 Location: Helena, MT Age: 42 Posts: 458	Well, i started a new game, new character, rushed past everything, and made a rather quick dash do the friendly arm inn. Talk to khalid and jaheira, blah blah, blah, long story short, his stats were 14 11 13 15 12 unreasonably high for a first level fighter. Now i'm confused as to how someone can start off with such high saving throws. i just don't get it. Do you think it's designed this way, or that it's a game flaw? And i haven't had a chance to play khalid very far into the game. Has anyone else seen this anomoly, and whether or not his saves ever get that good later in the game? __________________ [img]\"http://userpic.livejournal.com/10817323/260901\" alt=\" - \" /><br />\"My style? You could call it the art of fighting without really fighting.\"<br /><br />\"Something vexes thee?\"

10-09-2002, 11:51 AM	#10
NiceWorg Baaz Draconian Join Date: January 15, 2002 Location: Vaasa, Finland Age: 43 Posts: 772	Khalids saving throws on his maximum (7th?) level with normal equipment: 10 12 11 12 13 Maybe its just a small flaw in game design. __________________ Fell in love with a country girl, morning sunshine<br />She was up from a nether world, just to bust another soul<br />[url]\"http://jarkokson.suddenlaunch.com\" target=\"_blank\">Click!</a>

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