Madonnas new Video

[Iron_Ranger]

http://www.drudgereport.com/mad2.htm

I fail to see what throwing a grenade in 'President Bushs' lap has to do with world peace.

[wellard]

Glad Madonna is reading Ironworks

[QUOTE]Originally posted by wellard:
G'day folks

One of the more obscure things that annoys me about the war and the resulting protest movement, apart from when it turns violent, is the lack new material coming from the artistic people. The obvious one is the absence of new musical artists and new protest songs. If I hear one more Dylan or peter/paul/mary song I'll scream. Where are the rap artists complaining about the war? Where is the latest Madonna protest song? Where is Bob Geldorf when you need him?
Does anyone out there know of good fresh anti war material being produced?


"from the protest about protesting thread" [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img]

The question now is what alias is Madonna useing on Ironworks [img]graemlins/heee.gif[/img]

[Grojlach]

Originally posted by wellard: G'day folks One of the more obscure things that annoys me about the war and the resulting protest movement, apart from when it turns violent, is the lack new material coming from the artistic people. The obvious one is the absence of new musical artists and new protest songs. If I hear one more Dylan or peter/paul/mary song I'll scream. Where are the rap artists complaining about the war? Where is the latest Madonna protest song? Where is Bob Geldorf when you need him? Does anyone out there know of good fresh anti war material being produced?

On a similar note, here are protest songs by the Beastie Boys and R.E.M. which can be listened to on their sites... The lyrics are there in written form as well.
As for Madonna's protest... *shrugs* To European standards, the grenade throwing is just cheesy. But apparently there's an entirely different media climate in the US, where such extreme symbolic gestures have to be used as "wake up calls" or whatever they want to call it... Just like that George Michael video "Shoot the Dog" which was mostly just silly, but apparently offensive enough to be banned in the US (or not released to avoid being banned, can't recall exactly). I haven't seen the particular scene, so I can't say exacly how "tongue in cheek" it really is... But it's on the tasteless side, you'll get no argument from me over that.
This article will probably trigger some interesting over-the-top rise-to-the-bait responses, though.
*grabs popcorn*

[ 03-30-2003, 06:14 AM: Message edited by: Grojlach ]

[Barry the Sprout]

Yep, just to drag this further off topic, I've been trying to compile a collection of 90's and 00's anti-war songs for a Trot group I'm in. They made an anti-war CD collection, you see, and I mercilessly took the piss out of the guy who made it because there was no recent stuff on it. He made me a dare that I couldn't find any good recent anti-war songs, and I'm struggling!

So far I have:

Ocean Colour Scene - Profit in Peace
REM - Orange Crush
REM - Underneath the Bunker
SOAD - War?
SOAD - Deer Dance
Pearl Jam - Do the Evolution (not as appropriate as I'd like, but several pertinent lines...)
Barenaked Ladies - Helicopters
Barenaked Ladies - Sell, Sell, Sell
RATM - Killing in the Name
Radiohead - You and Whose Army? (actually anti-Blair, but still appropriate at first glance, so to speak.)
Manic Street Preachers - If You Tolerate This, Then you're Children Will be Next

And thats about it, but that is all from my own cd collection. So if anyone has any more recent stuff (other than the stuff Groj mentioned - which I have noted ), then please say so. Thanks! [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Ronn_Bman]

Didn't someone mention a John (Cougar) Mellencamp song earlier?

[Iron_Ranger]

Yeah Mellencamp has an anti war song. Well its really just anti Bush, so hey, it blends in rather nice with the rest of the protests.

Madonna just wants attention I think. But thats what shes been doing her entire career so I guess it shouldnt really be surprising.

[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by Iron_Ranger: Yeah Mellencamp has an anti war song. Well its really just anti Bush, so hey, it blends in rather nice with the rest of the protests. Madonna just wants attention I think. But thats what shes been doing her entire career so I guess it shouldnt really be surprising.

Maddona is a master of image re-invention to garner attention. I had heard a news report last week that she was going to pull the video, but that in and of itself may have been a publicity stunt.

[Grojlach]

Another anti-war song available as a free download...

Zach de la Rocha (ex-Rage Against the Machine) & DJ Shadow - March of Death.

[ 04-01-2003, 07:30 AM: Message edited by: Grojlach ]

[Grojlach]

Barry, this news may be of interest for you; it's about an entire label launched for protest songs by Sonic Youth member Thurston Moore; and all songs are free downloads on their site. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Thurston Moore Launches Online Protest Label

Ryan Goldman reports:
The Internet was conceived as a tool of democracy. Although demonized by corporations and feared by the government, the World Wide Web is a community at the frontier of change everlasting, giving new relevance to old concepts like Diaspora and social movement. Especially now, as mainstream media proliferation threatens our objectivity through embedded war reporting and spin-off cable news networks, the Internet is a haven for dissent, discussion, and recreation (the Elizabeth-Cheney-as-human-shield story comes to mind).

Pitchfork has tried to keep its readers up-to-date on pop artists' postings of protest song MP3s over the past couple of weeks, ranging from the good (R.E.M.'s "The Final Straw") to the bad (Beastie Boys' "In a World Gone Mad") to the predictable (Zack de la Rocha and DJ Shadow's "March of Death"). While some artists, like the Dismemberment Plan's former singer Travis Morrison, seem to be suffering from Fox News poisoning, hundreds of others continue reassuring fans that what's happening over in that country just ain't right.

On March 22nd, Sonic Youth's Thurston Moore and New York designer/Sonic Youth webmaster Chris Habib properly took up the cause of creative moral objection with the launch of their online-only music label, Protest Records. The site features free MP3s, original graphics, and news links related to the war in Iraq, political opposition, and the campaign for freedom of expression. Moore recently told The New York Times (ahem) that he was inspired to form the label and website after hearing the Fugs perform "Go Down, Congress" in New York to an audience of less than one hundred people. He and Habib curate the site, which posts submissions from all artists willing to share their music free-of-charge, with special emphasis placed on unusual and thematically significant songs: "[Protest Records] exists for musicians, poets and artists to express LOVE + LIBERTY in the face of greed, sexism, racism, hate-crime and war."

After only three days of file-sharing, Protest Records already hosts 50 tracks, with contributors ranging from Cat Power, The Evens (featuring Ian McKaye), and Mike Watt & Thurston Moore, to Damon & Naomi, Jim O'Rourke & Glenn Kotche, and DJ Spooky & Saul Williams. Here's what Chris Habib has to say about his stand against war and conspicuous consumption, characterized by the label's burning flag logo:

"I think that what Thurston and I are doing is one of the most patriotic gestures anyone could make. We are working to huddle together the voices of those who have something to say about the aimless direction in which this country is tumbling. As it becomes increasingly more apparent that this government for and by the people is becoming increasingly more comfortable ignoring said people and sacrificing them on the battlefield for resources and empire, we need to speak up and we need to speak out. Contrary to the opinion of a man we never elected, we are not a 'focus group.' We are the government. We are this country. Our rights are being trampled. Our working class and poor are being led to slaughter. Our privacy is becoming evermore a diaphanous myth. Corporations, the lobby groups who represent them and the courts have more control over the power structure in this country than any electoral college could ever dream... If this pisses you off, ask me why I did it and then help me make it right."
The site's URL: http://www.protest-records.com/

Source: Pitchfork Media

[Mordenheim]

Zach de la Rocha is a self proclaimed anarchist. He hates the idea of government. I am shocked he is against the war.