08-16-2011, 07:08 PM | #161 |
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When I think "rainforest" I think Amazon-type forests; the ones here are temperate...but let's not split hairs.
This is where I differ from Timber--I dislike reacting out of fear, which is how the Chicken Littles think. They always assume the worst will happen when that usually isn't the case. Even if the worst does happen, I would rather deal with the consequences and say "okay, we won't do that again" rather than spend my life worrying about a bunch of "what ifs". What if a meteor hits the Earth tomorrow? What if some crazy crashes my truck on the way home and I die in a flaming wreck? What if I have a heart attack tonight? What if, what if, what if.
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Let's at least put the blame where it belongs shall we? Africa and S America (particularly Brazil) still show steadily declining forested acreage, and Australia has ratched up deforestation as well. Asia is a mixed bag. China shows an increase in forested acreage and SE Asia shows decreases in acreage. North and Central America show a net increase in forested acreage from 2005 to 2010. That's primarily due to reforestation efforts in the US. Canada was neutral and Central America lost acreage. Europe (primarily Russia) and Asia (predominantly China and India to a lesser extent) also showed increases in forested area due to reforestation efforts. The whole report is here: http://foris.fao.org/static/data/fra...indings-en.pdf And all the charts are here: http://www.fao.org/forestry/fra/62219/en/ Almost forgot, Africa, S. America and Asia use a significant portion of that timber for fuel. In Europe and N America it's ~80% for building materials
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Consider the change from "global warming" to "climate change". Too much rain? Oh, that's climate change and is caused by man. Too little rain? Oh, that's climate change and is caused by man. Does your rainfall match the average for the last 50 years? Oh, at some point climate change will kick in and then you'll have either too much or too little rain but they really aren't sure which it will be. The situation has been set up so nebulously that they can never be wrong. If we disagree with them they say "then prove us to be wrong" but you can't--you can't disprove an entire range of outcome scenarios.
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08-17-2011, 01:46 AM | #165 |
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This thread is a testeament to recycling.
I still don't see why heeding the words of the most brilliant minds of our time is such an issue for those who choose not to. Let 'em get on with saving the world imo. Look at it this way, if they turn out to be right all along, you owe them a "thank you". If they don't, you owe them nothing. Either dismiss it or don't. *shrug*
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Where did I say this??? Azred said we didn't have any rainforests to cut/burn and I just pointed out the trivial fact that we do have them.
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TL has admitted environmental scientists often use the Chicken Little cry of "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" and then claim the only reason it didn't fall is because they raised the alarm high enough and loud enough to prompt action that prevented it. Unfortunately, that claim can often be contradicted by facts and data, like it was in this thread. Meanwhile, when the sky doesn't fall after all, skeptics tend to be like the villagers in the boy that cried "Wolf" and think "It wasn't really happening last time, so there is no reason to think that it is happening now." In the end, the Chicken Little approach undermines the credibility of the scientists, whether they are brilliant or not.
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As a side note here, I don't think predicting things that don't happen makes one brilliant. Considering the legitimate scientific advances in our time, I don't think "playing craps" with science compares to the invention of rocket science, or the significant advances in the medical sciences. Hell, the advances in computer technology over the last 50 years overshadows anything that is being passed on as science in GCC. I'm reminded of an old addage I heard back when I was in school: Those that can, do. Those that can't teach. Considering most of the people sitting on the panel that is considered the authoritative resource for GCC information are teachers, that do none of their own research speaks volumes. Not that most of those guys aren't smarter than me, mind you, they were smart enough to get jobs as yes men that pay them significantly more than I made when I was working.
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But anyways, let's say they're wrong, they cry wolf. It's not happening, the climate is unaffected etc. etc. What does it do for you personally regardless of outcome? Unless you have a handsome sum bet on your own ideas.
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I also like the fact that, when the doomsday predictions fail, the Chicken Little standard response is "Well, ok, maybe the sky isn't falling after all, but what would it hurt to act as if it were, just in case?"
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