Clerics vs. Wizards - Page 2

06-09-2003, 02:51 PM

i agree with you all...but in my own thinking...*owch* i think *owch* that the CLERICS are the best... even though they get their powers from gods and such.. the are still very balanced with theor defensive and offensive spell...i can't really compare them to sorcerers beacuse i don't bother with that class.

Xen · 06-09-2003, 03:11 PM

AFAIK Sorcerer rules and owens all

Eurothan · 06-09-2003, 06:51 PM

I prefer wizards, clerics are handy for healing, but otherwise I prefer Wizards beacuse they tend to do more combat damage, but personally I always use the Aerie character who is a mage/cleric and solve the debate in one...Bon!

Sythe · 06-09-2003, 08:41 PM

Well persnally I prefer hard working WIZARDS!!
Clerics only purpose is healing and back up for fighters. Wizards with spells such as fireball time stop can take on hordes of opponets. Clerics are easy to kill in the game too. Wizards aye cha cha spell protections and protection from magical weapons......

[ 06-10-2003, 02:49 AM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ]

Dadams1 · 06-09-2003, 08:54 PM

Aye, wizards are all good, but Clerics can put up a fight for themselves, especially since they can equip different (and better) weapons that wizards. A high level cleric vs. a high level wizard... Who knows how that fight would end up?

Sythe · 06-09-2003, 09:19 PM

Who cares if they can equip better weapons. A mage (When I mean mage I mean Wizards and Sorcerors) can counter it by casting stoneskin or protection from magical weapons,mirror image, blur etc. Mages have powerful spell protectios and have magic that can break through cleric protections such has pierece magic. If you have played the game for as long as I have you would know the mages are the most dangerous bunch in the game. (Especially lilches *shrudder*) The only way you can really defeat a wizard is by catching em by surprise or dispelling all their spell protections.

[ 06-10-2003, 02:50 AM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ]

Dadams1 · 06-09-2003, 09:28 PM

Firstly, don't you mean "A wizard (When I say wizard I mean mages and sorcs)"? Secondly, I agree with you pretty much, I'll say that wizards are better generally, but I still stand by my statement that the outcome of a high level cleric vs. a high level mage is pretty undecided... Now if you want a really tough question, what about a battle between an high level multi-class Mage/Cleric vs. a high level Sorceror?

TaSSaDaR · 06-10-2003, 01:04 AM

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Sythe, why don't you cut your sig picture to the size approved by Rules And Regulations. The pic is OK itself, but it is boring to wait for its loading, even on the 1.2 mbit line I have [img]smile.gif[/img] Never mind scrolling a full page...

Sorcerer's power is in his versatility. If he needs all 7 of his 8lvl spell slots filled with Horrid Wiltings, he can have em anytime. Mages have to rest.

Multiclass Cleric/Mage will lose to sorc if they are not of the same level, but have the same xp. Lvl25 sorc would have the xp (probably) not sufficient for the mage part of his opponent to reach lvl18, thus no Time Stop to C/M. The end [img]smile.gif[/img]

Druids have much better arsenal against wizards... Creeping Doom and all such [img]smile.gif[/img]

DJG · 06-10-2003, 06:42 AM

Spirits forever said "Cleric" and in that I include Druids.....

Never underestimate the power of a high level druid, especially a Druid/Fighter Dual/Multi class. Not only are they good warriors, they can compliment their fighter abilities with 'Iron Skins', 'Creeping Doom', 'Heal' and 'Regeneration'. Those spells are severly powerful, a fighter that regenerates, can heal himself, disrupt enemy spell casting whilst causing damage to them and temporarily make himslef invulnerable to damage using 'Iron Skins'! GREAT! And the HLAs 'Greater Elemental Summoning' and 'Fire Elemental Transformation' are good as well.

As you might be able to see, I have a certain fondness for Jaheira. I recently started a Fighter dual classed to a Druid in BG1 and am working through that. Despite the fact that my fighter class is only Level 2, I can still get a +5 Proficency in Scimtar later on in SoA!

However, some people seem to think the obvious choice is Sorceror. Whilst it's fun to play and certainly powerful, I'd challenge them with my Fighter/Druid any day. I might not win, but I'd make a fantastic runner up!

I don't have my game manual handy, can anyone tell me if a Druid can cast 'Shield of the Archons'?

DJG · 06-10-2003, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TaSSaDaR:
Druids have much better arsenal against wizards... Creeping Doom and all such [img]smile.gif[/img]

Ah, En Taro Adun mighty Tassadar!

06-09-2003, 06:51 PM	#13
Eurothan Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: June 1, 2003 Location: Belfast Age: 40 Posts: 4	I prefer wizards, clerics are handy for healing, but otherwise I prefer Wizards beacuse they tend to do more combat damage, but personally I always use the Aerie character who is a mage/cleric and solve the debate in one...Bon! __________________ Forgive me father for I am sin

06-09-2003, 08:54 PM	#15
Dadams1 Drow Warrior Join Date: May 29, 2003 Location: USA Age: 36 Posts: 280	Aye, wizards are all good, but Clerics can put up a fight for themselves, especially since they can equip different (and better) weapons that wizards. A high level cleric vs. a high level wizard... Who knows how that fight would end up? __________________ [img]\"http://logo.cafepress.com/3/3269.298243.jpg\" alt=\" - \" /><br />\"Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime.\" ~Hemingway

06-09-2003, 09:28 PM	#17
Dadams1 Drow Warrior Join Date: May 29, 2003 Location: USA Age: 36 Posts: 280	Firstly, don't you mean "A wizard (When I say wizard I mean mages and sorcs)"? Secondly, I agree with you pretty much, I'll say that wizards are better generally, but I still stand by my statement that the outcome of a high level cleric vs. a high level mage is pretty undecided... Now if you want a really tough question, what about a battle between an high level multi-class Mage/Cleric vs. a high level Sorceror? __________________ [img]\"http://logo.cafepress.com/3/3269.298243.jpg\" alt=\" - \" /><br />\"Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime.\" ~Hemingway

06-10-2003, 01:04 AM	#18
TaSSaDaR Baaz Draconian Join Date: August 27, 2002 Location: Russia Age: 38 Posts: 734	[img]graemlins/offtopic.gif[/img] Sythe, why don't you cut your sig picture to the size approved by Rules And Regulations. The pic is OK itself, but it is boring to wait for its loading, even on the 1.2 mbit line I have [img]smile.gif[/img] Never mind scrolling a full page... Sorcerer's power is in his versatility. If he needs all 7 of his 8lvl spell slots filled with Horrid Wiltings, he can have em anytime. Mages have to rest. Multiclass Cleric/Mage will lose to sorc if they are not of the same level, but have the same xp. Lvl25 sorc would have the xp (probably) not sufficient for the mage part of his opponent to reach lvl18, thus no Time Stop to C/M. The end [img]smile.gif[/img] Druids have much better arsenal against wizards... Creeping Doom and all such [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ En taro Adun!<br />En taro, mighty Tassadar!

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06-09-2003, 02:51 PM	#11
Spirits forever Guest Posts: n/a	i agree with you all...but in my own thinking...owch i think owch that the CLERICS are the best... even though they get their powers from gods and such.. the are still very balanced with theor defensive and offensive spell...i can't really compare them to sorcerers beacuse i don't bother with that class.

06-09-2003, 03:11 PM	#12
Xen Symbol of Moradin Join Date: June 5, 2002 Location: Slovenia,Ljubljana Age: 36 Posts: 8,554	AFAIK Sorcerer rules and owens all

06-09-2003, 08:41 PM	#14
Sythe Ra Join Date: May 19, 2002 Location: The US of A Age: 35 Posts: 2,365	Well persnally I prefer hard working WIZARDS!! Clerics only purpose is healing and back up for fighters. Wizards with spells such as fireball time stop can take on hordes of opponets. Clerics are easy to kill in the game too. Wizards aye cha cha spell protections and protection from magical weapons...... [ 06-10-2003, 02:49 AM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ]

06-09-2003, 09:19 PM	#16
Sythe Ra Join Date: May 19, 2002 Location: The US of A Age: 35 Posts: 2,365	Who cares if they can equip better weapons. A mage (When I mean mage I mean Wizards and Sorcerors) can counter it by casting stoneskin or protection from magical weapons,mirror image, blur etc. Mages have powerful spell protectios and have magic that can break through cleric protections such has pierece magic. If you have played the game for as long as I have you would know the mages are the most dangerous bunch in the game. (Especially lilches shrudder) The only way you can really defeat a wizard is by catching em by surprise or dispelling all their spell protections. [ 06-10-2003, 02:50 AM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ]

06-10-2003, 06:42 AM	#19
DJG Symbol of Cyric Join Date: March 16, 2001 Location: Manchester, England Age: 35 Posts: 1,109	Spirits forever said "Cleric" and in that I include Druids..... Never underestimate the power of a high level druid, especially a Druid/Fighter Dual/Multi class. Not only are they good warriors, they can compliment their fighter abilities with 'Iron Skins', 'Creeping Doom', 'Heal' and 'Regeneration'. Those spells are severly powerful, a fighter that regenerates, can heal himself, disrupt enemy spell casting *whilst* causing damage to them and temporarily make himslef invulnerable to damage using 'Iron Skins'! GREAT! And the HLAs 'Greater Elemental Summoning' and 'Fire Elemental Transformation' are good as well. As you might be able to see, I have a certain fondness for Jaheira. I recently started a Fighter dual classed to a Druid in BG1 and am working through that. Despite the fact that my fighter class is only Level 2, I can still get a +5 Proficency in Scimtar later on in SoA! However, some people seem to think the obvious choice is Sorceror. Whilst it's fun to play and certainly powerful, I'd challenge them with my Fighter/Druid any day. I might not win, but I'd make a fantastic runner up! I don't have my game manual handy, can anyone tell me if a Druid can cast 'Shield of the Archons'?

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