Music Companies (calm version.)

[Timber Loftis]

Well, Whacky I'm sure you had good intentions in deleting the thread and are smacking yourself about right now for your [img]graemlins/doh.gif[/img] and thinking how the road to hell is paved with good inentions. If not, then you should. An apology would be nice, too, just to show us how big your are.

I'll not go into depth because I typed it already. I'll simply say that intellectual property (IP) rights, if they are to exist at all, should be enforceable in other countries. You can file your paperwork IN the other country (whereby you would merely be enforcing the laws of the forum country, not US laws) or you could take advantage of one of several multi-lateral treaties where countries agree to give credibility to patent/copyright holders in specific other countries.

Otherwise, it leads to sillyness. If you don't like RIAA having and pursuing copyrights in Europe, don't complain when some guy in the US starts making a knock-off of Molsen beer using the same exact label.

I think iTunes selling songs for a buck-a-piece is a fine idea. I think artists should and will support it (except Yorick). It is my impression that RIAA supports it. I think the world will be a much better place if CD singles (where did they go?) and other things like iTunes work to give us buyers a product we WANT. Often I may LIKE one song on an album, but the other 12 crappy songs create an overall product I do not want. Now, perhaps iTunes outta sell songs for $2/ea. or $3/ea. but that's a pricing/market balance issue that will sort itself out over time.

[Chewbacca]

People, I think it was an honest mistake. I dont recall Whackmeister deleting any other threads and with only 291 posts, few of them from what I've noticed here in the "heated discussions" forum I would chalk it up to an honest novice mistake and treat it as such. Deleting threads may be bad etiquitte but I don't think there is a hard and fast rule against it. (though I could be wrong)

Anyway on topic and with the fair assumption no more threads will be deleted *and* that people on all sides of the discussion will refrain from attacking other forums memebers in the act of expressing their opinion....

I used to have a very gung-ho attitude against file-sharing. After-all I helped close record store after record store mainly becasue of the continual drop in cd sales. But thanks to the many thoughtful discussion here at IW about and my own honest look at the "Bizness" I realized that the record companies are really to blame . The dropped the ball and missed the boat with regardss to keeping up with consumer demand as well as advances in technology. This still doesnt make sharing copyrighted works "right" but attacking ones own frustrated, overcharged, and disillusioned consumer base isnt "right" either.

I dont buy very much music anymore and I have never downloaded illegally from a filesharing service. I support music by going to shows and ordering direct from the artists when I can. I also buy alot of used CDs from a carefully selected music retailer who has fair prices and a less than corporate attitude about their business.
I make my statment to the champagne breakfast having bigwhigs this way. They aint getting my dough, or my retail expertise ever again until they shape up their business model and get with the times.

[Timber Loftis]

Did someone mention a mamosa?

I only go to used CD stores anymore, unless Best Buy has a sale on a CD for less than $13, and then I usually have a coupon as well.

Recently, news reports claimed CD prices would be dropping by $4.00 or more in the US.

[ 01-28-2004, 03:49 PM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

[Yorick]

You should be banned Whackmeister. That is the most insulting and infuriating thing you could have done on this forum. It is also the most juvenile and flamebaiting action you could have done.

Mods: count this as a call for at least a suspension.

I for one will not be responding to you again Whackmeister. You have scant disregard for artists and no regard for posters time, energy or care. As has been said, you did not allow any of us to copy and paste OUR OWN writing. You did not own my words. I did. You seriously crossed the line.

Again, I am asking for a suspension for this flamebaiting action.

[ 01-28-2004, 04:53 PM: Message edited by: Yorick ]

[Timber Loftis]

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[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: I think the world will be a much better place if CD singles (where did they go?)

They weren't profitable enough. I tell you what I almost heard more legitimate complaining from customers about the demise of the single than I did about the ridiculous prices of the CDs in my stores.

[ 01-28-2004, 04:29 PM: Message edited by: Chewbacca ]

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: I think iTunes selling songs for a buck-a-piece is a fine idea. I think artists should and will support it (except Yorick).

Eh? Timber... didn't you read my posts? Oh yeah that's right....

I said I do support it and that I was talking to some people about a similar concept. At the moment itunes only deals with a select few though. What I was bemoaning was the whole things effect on the album as an artform. I made a long and lengthy post about it, which I can't be arsed repeating as some jerk deleted it before I could cut and paste it.

Perhaps I should get pissed off in here and then this post will be deleted too yes?

[Yorick]

Perhaps I should change my sig....

How's this?

"What's the difference between Al-Qaeda and a Music Filesharer?

-> One likes to wreck your life
-> The other has a beard and a turban!"


I think it's good. Means I can shove it in peoples faces all the time doesn't it. Very cool making a sig an argument. Right?

[Timber Loftis]

I figured that was pissing you off. What is it with people using sigs to argue with you?

I didn't realize you supported it. Yes, it would change the album as an art form, but that has largely happened anyway. These days, most albums are simply compilations of different songs the artist wrote. Yes, sometimes real thought goes into the overall composition, but it's rare I think. Mostly, the songs producers think will "hit" get separated so we have to push the "skip" button in between them.

Undertakings like The Wall, Sgt. Pepper's (or the many nom de plumes it was mocking), or other concept albums are less common.

[Djinn Raffo]

I agree with you about the sig Yorick.