To The Americans - Do You Like Bush?

[Chewbacca]

I won't play the victim card, but I disagree with Bush on many fundamental levels of policy and philosophy. His mistakes go unaccounted for and his failures as the President costs people's lifes and more.

Although I voted for the True Conservative party ( Libertarian) rather than a candidate this last election, I am sorta glad Bush got relecected so he can fix the messes he has made. The downside to this is the potential for him to run the Nation further into extreme idealogy and erroneous policy.


edit- oh yeah, I neither like nor dis-like Bush. I am not fooled by his public persona nor am I enamoured by it. I am aware that's what it is and underneath it he is porbably a different siort of person.

[ 12-28-2004, 01:23 PM: Message edited by: Chewbacca ]

[Attalus]

Originally posted by Q'alooaith: The USA should be subservient to the UN, your on a power trip if you think your president should be a world leader rather than just a national leader.

That is never, never going to happen. The US subservient to the U.N.? Dream on.

[Thoran]

IMO no one should be subservient to the UN... it's a failed bureaucracy who's prime is long past.

Better it go the way of the Dodo and the League of Nations and we try again with a MINIMALIST global body who's charter specifically excludes trying to "rule the world".

We don't need another layer of "Gubberment" in this world... we don't need another deadlocked top heavy bureaucracy. City, County, State, and Federal taxes are plenty thank you... no need to add "World taxes" to the list.

Someday perhaps we'll be ready for true global governance, but that's still a LONG way off.

[Blind_Prophet]

Whatever happened to Isolationism (As in iraq is not our responsibility) Thanks for more dead soliders bush, and shattered military family's. You can say, They signed up for the military so going to war is their Job, Well i always thought their job was to protect America, not protect the people of Iraq, Take care of your own citizens in your own country first before you set out trying to help other countries.

[coyote696]

Originally posted by Blind_Prophet: Whatever happened to Isolationism (As in iraq is not our responsibility) Thanks for more dead soliders bush, and shattered military family's. You can say, They signed up for the military so going to war is their Job, Well i always thought their job was to protect America, not protect the people of Iraq, Take care of your own citizens in your own country first before you set out trying to help other countries.

ok so lets pull out of europe, no need having troops or weapons in south korea, lets stop sending humanitaian aid to other countries that have suffered, oh and lets get all out troops out of the central america area and let them all do their own thing. I doubt any of the other countries would mind if we just pull back into our own borders and allow the countries that we aid in defense and other things to fall into what ever may come to power.


The problems of the world may not seem to be ours because they have not happened within our borders but if you think that pulling our troops out of the worlds other countries is gonna stop the threats from growing and all the problems of the world will be solved that way....you are wrong.

[ 12-28-2004, 04:45 PM: Message edited by: coyote696 ]

[Azred]

Originally posted by Q'alooaith: The USA should be subservient to the UN, your on a power trip if you think your president should be a world leader rather than just a national leader.

On the contrary, no nation should be subservient to the UN. In fact, the UN should be disbanded as a "failed experiment" like its predecessor, the League of Nations.

Bush is neither better nor worse than most other Presidents have been. There are issues at home that need to be addressed as well as the current foreign issues (restructuring Social Security, getting rid of the Patriot Act, etc), but he should have time to work with Congress on those, now.

Why do people continue to say that only the US was "misinformed" about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? The intelligence agencies of England, Spain, the US, and even Israel (among others) had all reached the same conclusions, yet no one mentions them. Curious, that. [img]graemlins/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif[/img] I usually chalk any detraction towards the US to jealousy. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img]

[Gangrell]

Ok, I'm going to make this subtle and simple because since I'm against Bush, people for him are just going to pick apart what I say anyway.

Six months before Bush was elected for the first time into office, someone that worked under him leaked information concerning maps mapping out every oil field in Iraq. He went to war because he said there were nuclear warheads somewhere in Iraq. Obviously that isn't the case, and frankly, as insane as Saddam was and the people that took his place, don't you all think they would've been used by now? So I believe that he used the weapons reason to get into Iraq for the oil. Yeah, we got Saddam, that's true, he even said it himself that he would finish what his father started. So, basicly it's a war of pride or oil.

Guys, I don't mean to be rude, but please never say you think a president is sincere. Bush has never been sincere, no president dating back to Kennedy has been that way, and Kerry wouldn't have been either. It is mandatory that leaders lie to the people in their countries, because if every truth were told, it would cause mass havoc and chaos.

Ok, he has firm beliefs by which he stands, it is admirable but it shouldn't be accounted for when it comes to his leadership abilities. His beliefs all stand on the podium of relegion and relegion has no place in government, it has no effect on it and makes no difference in it. All it does or ever has done is cause holy wars.

Another is a recent decision of his concerning british scientists. It's obvious to everyone by now the world is drastically changing due to the greenhouse effect. Tornadoes in December, more thunderstorms than I've seen in the past 5 years during summer, snowstorms issuing more ice and sleet than I've seen in 7 years plowing across the country, five hurricanes bombarding Florida, and so forth. British scientists have found a way to reduce greenhouse gas, they've found a system for it. Germany, Russia, China, the UK, all are in on it, but Bush said no. Now that may not seem bad, but the states still supply 1/3 of the greenhouse gas in the world, and he turned it down because he said it may hurt the economy. As horribly ironic as that is, the economy has long since been in the crapper. Before he was in office, the dollar was twice to what the pound was, now the pound outweighs it by 80 cents.

It's commendable that he wants to rebuild a country... that would rather blow us up, but I just don't see it happening. No matter who we knock down, who we fight, replace, once the US leaves the country, it will fall again. I will admit that if peace is finally able to be established there, then I'll be proven wrong then.

My two cents, don't tear apart my argument too badly.

[Blind_Prophet]

Originally posted by coyote696: quote: Originally posted by Blind_Prophet: Whatever happened to Isolationism (As in iraq is not our responsibility) Thanks for more dead soliders bush, and shattered military family's. You can say, They signed up for the military so going to war is their Job, Well i always thought their job was to protect America, not protect the people of Iraq, Take care of your own citizens in your own country first before you set out trying to help other countries.

ok so lets pull out of europe, no need having troops or weapons in south korea, lets stop sending humanitaian aid to other countries that have suffered, oh and lets get all out troops out of the central america area and let them all do their own thing. I doubt any of the other countries would mind if we just pull back into our own borders and allow the countries that we aid in defense and other things to fall into what ever may come to power.


The problems of the world may not seem to be ours because they have not happened within our borders but if you think that pulling our troops out of the worlds other countries is gonna stop the threats from growing and all the problems of the world will be solved that way....you are wrong. [/QUOTE]Who said it was our job to solve the worlds problems?

[Variol (Farseer) Elmwood]

I can't help it! I gotta say it! You just can't have enough Bush!!!!!

[coyote696]

Originally posted by Blind_Prophet: quote: Originally posted by coyote696: quote: Originally posted by Blind_Prophet: Whatever happened to Isolationism (As in iraq is not our responsibility) Thanks for more dead soliders bush, and shattered military family's. You can say, They signed up for the military so going to war is their Job, Well i always thought their job was to protect America, not protect the people of Iraq, Take care of your own citizens in your own country first before you set out trying to help other countries.

ok so lets pull out of europe, no need having troops or weapons in south korea, lets stop sending humanitaian aid to other countries that have suffered, oh and lets get all out troops out of the central america area and let them all do their own thing. I doubt any of the other countries would mind if we just pull back into our own borders and allow the countries that we aid in defense and other things to fall into what ever may come to power.


The problems of the world may not seem to be ours because they have not happened within our borders but if you think that pulling our troops out of the worlds other countries is gonna stop the threats from growing and all the problems of the world will be solved that way....you are wrong. [/QUOTE]Who said it was our job to solve the worlds problems? [/QUOTE]ok so if we dont solve the worlds problems and we dont help out where we can.
what does that make us look like? oh thats right you want to be the country that does not care. we dont care that your country was bombed we dont care that you suffered from an earthquake/ tsunami with a death toll way out there. we dont care we are going to draw into our borders and forget you, its your problem not ours. ( just an example) god forbid this should ever happen