Be afraid, be very afraid

[Iron Greasel]

In Deus Ex one of the endings let you destroy the Echelon 4 hub. After the various evil organizations had routed every and all communications through it for surveillance purposes. Not exactly stone age, more like ancient Greece, with city-states that have no contact with each other. And it wouldn't last very long anyway.

About EMPs, can't you just ground it? build an iron cage around the electric appliance you wish to protect. Works on lightning, at least.

[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by Felix The Assassin: BTW: Have you forgotten? Al Gore "invented" the internet, so in a sense it's ours to control.

Thanks for the EMP info.

Side note, please quit referring to this statement of Wooden Al's. Not because I particularly like Al Gore, but because it's something he never said, and I hate to see media hype and misinformation live on, whether it's about EMP or about Al Gore's supposed statement.

[Azred]

Originally posted by Felix The Assassin: EMP pfft: I built and used one on my excessively loud and obnoxious neighbors stereo last summer. He has yet to figure out why his house was the only house on the street to receive an irreversible and destructive power surge.

Technically, this could be considered "domestic terrorism"...but we'll leave that discussion for another day. [img]graemlins/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif[/img]

Originally posted by Felix The Assassin: Now, one thing Mr Einstein forgot, as well as this report. Space is a factor, and an issue, along with "dark matter"! So, if one were to detonate an ultra atmosphereic EMP, it would effect a whole lot more than just the US. But, we are all fully aware of this minor discrepancy, and fully understand as the story relates, exactly what would be the outcome?

It would take more than 1 nuclear explosion to effect an area the size of the United States; besides, even EMPs are subject to the Inverse Square Law: double the distance and reduce the intestity of EM radiation by a factor of 4.

The more recent cosmological hypotheses suggest that there is no such thing as "dark matter"...but we'll have to leave that for another day, too.

The Internet has grown too rapidly and too widely for anyone, or any group, to effectively "fight" it.

[Felix The Assassin]

Originally posted by Azred: quote: Originally posted by Felix The Assassin: EMP pfft: I built and used one on my excessively loud and obnoxious neighbors stereo last summer. He has yet to figure out why his house was the only house on the street to receive an irreversible and destructive power surge.

[/QUOTE]

Originally posted by Azred: Technically, this could be considered "domestic terrorism"...but we'll leave that discussion for another day. [img]graemlins/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif[/img]

Correct, I was being domestically terrorised by my neighbor, so I utilized my training to "solve" the terrorism. Another day, another topic, of course.

Originally posted by Felix The Assassin: Now, one thing Mr Einstein forgot, as well as this report. Space is a factor, and an issue, along with "dark matter"! So, if one were to detonate an ultra atmosphereic EMP, it would effect a whole lot more than just the US. But, we are all fully aware of this minor discrepancy, and fully understand as the story relates, exactly what would be the outcome?

Originally posted by Azred: It would take more than 1 nuclear explosion to effect an area the size of the United States; besides, even EMPs are subject to the Inverse Square Law: double the distance and reduce the intestity of EM radiation by a factor of 4. The more recent cosmological hypotheses suggest that there is no such thing as "dark matter"...but we'll have to leave that for another day, too.

During our last class session we reviewed the Steve Hawkins thesis on "dark matter" and did not find conclusive evidence to accept 'your' "cosmological hypotheses", as a law, therefore it still stands as just that, a hypothesis. But yes, another day, another topic for sure.

Originally posted by Azred: The Internet has grown too rapidly and too widely for anyone, or any group, to effectively "fight" it.

The internet?
Or the control over the inetrnet?
But here, we are on topic. I will partially agree with that general statement as it stands. However, the "fight" for it is another story for another day.


Just for you TL,

Orignally said by Al Gore Vice President of the United States, 9 MAR 99, during an interview with Wolf Blitzer of CNN: During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.

Can be referenced from many different sites, but most of us know, Snopes.com

[Timber Loftis]

And, just for you:
http://www-cse.ucsd.edu/~goguen/cour.../invented.html

Enjoy.

"As a Senator, took the initiative in creating"

-means, to any edumacated person -

"Passed legislation providing funding for."

Which is absolutely 100% correctamundo. And is nowhere near "invented."

[ 01-31-2006, 11:02 AM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

[Chewbacca]

The amount of nuclear weapons in the world with even the slightest potential to be used should have made us all very afraid (if to comes to that) for a while now.

Sure, losing all the internet, cell-phones, steroes, TVs, and microwave ovens is scary, but life goes on after them.

[Azred]

Originally posted by Felix The Assassin: Correct, I was being domestically terrorised by my neighbor, so I utilized my training to "solve" the terrorism. Another day, another topic, of course.

Then kudos on a problem solved with resolve and ingenuity. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

Originally posted by Felix The Assassin: During our last class session we reviewed the Steve Hawkins thesis on "dark matter" and did not find conclusive evidence to accept 'your' "cosmological hypotheses", as a law, therefore it still stands as just that, a hypothesis. But yes, another day, another topic for sure.

Fair enough. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img]

[Albromor]

I find it very interesting that this news comes about from a European source and not anywhere from any U.S. news source. And we know how Europe has been demanding that the U.S. relinquish control of the net at this time.

[shamrock_uk]

Originally posted by Albromor: I find it very interesting that this news comes about from a European source and not anywhere from any U.S. news source.

I think that says more about the state of American media than it does about Europe.

You guys seem to have developed a penchant for voting your personal freedoms away under this administration without quite realising it - be glad that your European friends are doing your reporting for you and giving you a heads-up

And we know how Europe has been demanding that the U.S. relinquish control of the net at this time.

Perhaps they had a point? That's no reason to not take this document seriously.

[ 01-31-2006, 04:02 PM: Message edited by: shamrock_uk ]

[Albromor]

Let me tell you about the American media: The majority *hates* Geroge Bush and his administration. They especially go after Don Rumsfeld. I say all this to make this point: They would spread this report all over headlines, et. al. But they didn't and the U.S. media takes great pains to bring anything, and I mean anything, to bring negativity on the White House.

This is not to say the report isn't to be taken seriously BUT what other source besides the BBC is reporting this?