09-18-2001, 02:48 PM | #241 | |
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Some scientists state that children start learning even while still in the womb. Althoough to be honest others say you arent a human untill your born too....so what can you do? ------------------ Disintigration is easy, If you really want to impress me, ReIntegrate it. [This message has been edited by MagiK (edited 09-18-2001).] |
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09-18-2001, 02:55 PM | #242 |
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MagiK, you just take yourself way too seriously, dearie! I'm going to take a little break before I crack a rib laughing....thanks.
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09-18-2001, 03:00 PM | #243 | |
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Hope your rib heals ok ------------------ Disintigration is easy, If you really want to impress me, ReIntegrate it. [This message has been edited by MagiK (edited 09-18-2001).] |
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09-18-2001, 03:17 PM | #244 |
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Hm. Interesting set of posts, MagiK. Interesting to note your age. You seem to have packed a lot of cynicism into your short young life What makes you think the silver feline is younger than you? Or has less cause for cynicism? Or less experience of the world? Or less ability to sift information? Or less knowledge of history?
Actually, I suspect you fall behind her on all counts. And apart from Diogenes I have yet to meet anyone with a greater grasp of reality. Did it never strike you that 'idealism' is nothing but pure common sense? Being nice to your enemies is the only way to stop them being enemies - which is the best way I know to ensure our own safety. (I don't mean fawning all over them, either!I mean giving practical assistance to help 'em into the 21st century. Many are living in pitiful conditions). Sure we won't win 'em all that way. But if we win enough of 'em then those you designate 'evil' will have no fuel to set on fire. The bin Ladens of this world whip up the anger of the 'have-nots', rather than that of the 'haves'. Not idealism - common sense. I canot speak with the same authority as Dio and the Silver Cheetah, because although I am older than either I have not studied the middle east as they have. But I DO know what makes sense. Peace, friend! ------------------ |
09-18-2001, 03:28 PM | #245 | |
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Do you see what I am sayng Fljotsdale? Im not meaning to say "YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG" to SC what I really want to say is "Your comments do not fit the reality I have observed" and what I would like is some return of "alternative" observations as opposed to "you suck" "the west sucks" "you don't know people" I am not a very concise or precise writier, its one of my failings. I think I do better in face to face talks. Ick this post came off as way too harsh Fljotsdale, I really was just trying to explain my self to you sorry it sounds so...harsh. ------------------ Disintigration is easy, If you really want to impress me, ReIntegrate it. [This message has been edited by MagiK (edited 09-18-2001).] |
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09-18-2001, 04:12 PM | #246 |
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Now, straight off, I am a young, idealistic, radical, pacifist teenager. So what? Sometimes the world needs idealists.
Maybe there are some people that are born evil - Hitler I won't argue. But many of the others become evil by outside influence - bad childhood, etc. I do not see what you can do with these people. Unfortunately I am not too well informed about the events of the last 50 years, so I can't really help there. But IMHO, not all terrorists are evil. Some are brainwashed, indoctrinated,... they don't belong in jail, they belong in a psychiatry. And also, how do you define a terrorist? It occured to me that many of the freedom fighters during the Revolutionary War may seem like terrorists from another point of view, among others. I agree with everything Silver Cheetah said, btw. We are human, we aren't perfect. So nothing we create is perfect - no government is perfect, they have their strong and their weak points. You have to face that to make the government better, a "everything is just perfect the way it is" attitude won't get us anywhere. Also, you have to face your history. Pretending that our country is the best, all the things we did in the past were just for the good of the many (I went to American schools, this is the impression I got from the history lessons) and never for our own pocket, that we never screwed up, is wrong. You HAVE to face the mistakes you made in your history in order not to repeat them. Personally, I think Germany does a good job of this, almost too good, and that our history lessons are rather neutral - but of course all opinions on these matters are subjective. I'm not exactly sure what point I was trying to make with this, I just felt it needed to be said. ------------------ Kazara Sapphire Dragoness of ALSB Waitress at Cloudy's Cafe |
09-18-2001, 04:15 PM | #247 |
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No worries, MagiK. Doesn't sound harsh at all! You are just explaining your viewpoint, as I did mine, and as Silver and Dio did!
Experience: Of course I cannot speak for anyone else - though I DO know Silver Cheetah has travelled a fair bit and has not just been to 'tourist' places, either. I myself have only been out of the UK once, so I do not have that experience to fall back on. All I have is TV footage. Not much to go on, no. There is nothing like seeing things 'in the flesh', I agree. But, really, you know, I have had SOME experience of the horrors of this world. I lived through World War 2 in an area that suffered serious bombing. Even as a child I saw much that it would have been better not to see. Fear that my parents might not come home was not the least of it. And middle eastern countries have been subjected to much more than the UK was in WW2. You think that idealism and reality are opposites. But they are not. Realism/idealism is the SAME THING. You are thinking of idealism as being all about starry-eyed 'love', yes? Idealism isn't like that! Its dead practical. It means looking at needsand then taking steps to provide those needs. The richer looking out for the poorer. That is what Christianity AND Islam both teach and it is sensible, practical and of benefit to us all. (And btw, I'm an atheist!) What the 'realistic' West has been doing is seeing OUR wants and grabbing them because we are bigger and stronger, and thus we have damned the weaker. We are now reaping the rewards of that 'realistic', unidealistic attitude. Idealism IS realism at its most practical. 'Realism' as we have practiced it is VERY unrealistic and impractical. Truce? ------------------ |
09-18-2001, 04:19 PM | #248 | |
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I agree with most of what you said here Kaz I will even go so far as to say not ALL terrorists are evil, Only the ones who kill innocent people who are just going about their daily life, women, children and men who are not involved in their fight except by the mere fact of being alive. As for some people being evil due to their environment, there may be some like that, all Im saying is that there are some people who are evil right from the get go. Take a couple of Abnormal Psych classes when you can, there are some really disturbing kids out there. Cheers ------------------ Disintigration is easy, If you really want to impress me, ReIntegrate it. |
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09-18-2001, 04:22 PM | #249 | |
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Oops! EDIT: Put an 's' instead of a 'z' - sorry! ------------------ [This message has been edited by Fljotsdale (edited 09-18-2001).] |
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09-18-2001, 04:24 PM | #250 | |
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As for Islam and Chritianity...while admittedly fairly ignorant of Islamic law what I do know of both would seem to me that there would be an easy "live and let live" if people actullay follow the core tennants.... Well I have to go get some sleep, been on the go too many hours today. Good night fair lady. ------------------ Disintigration is easy, If you really want to impress me, ReIntegrate it. |
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