N.S. allows same-sex marriages

[Saliarasri]

Why does it matter if it's natural? Technically speaking, a society isn't "natural", letting the weak live isn't "natural" and so on.

ANd for the slippery slope argument - while that may or may not be true - the governmetn should just do all or nothing, not just what is the majority. Or, you can not use the argument that you have to be either black or white, and since the only difference between homosexuality and heterosexuality is the fact that two partners are the same or different. As for polygamy, if they are consenting, why is it our businesS? why is it out business if both human partners consent? It's not - it's not the government's either.

[Dave_the_quack]

Thanks Larry, will try not to bring up... ahem... that thing again (sheesh, almost did again lol j/k)

I reckon that people who view it as a choice, or have had to make the "choice" to be either heterosexual or homosexual have most likely felt attraction for both genders. Ergo, they/he/she is a bisexual. Its not a choice if there is only one option, but, if there is a decision to be made, obviously attraction for more than one gender must be evident.

For those that are doing it to be trendy, well, I highly doubt that they are the ones that are really passionate about lobbying for Gay and Lesbian marriage/rights. If they are, and DO get married, I really hope they enjoy and live their fake lives to the fullest.

As far as beastiality is concerned, well, in this thread, it really shouldn't be an issue, heh. It is not my problem -nor and other gay or lesbians'- if this opens up a can o' worms or whatever. I'm interested in my rights, and those said rights not being inhibited. As far as beastiality boys and girls go, well, clubbing on Sydney's famous Oxford Street has made me come across a few (1 or 2.. personally not my cuppa tea, but, who's judging, right guys?) and I have never heard of anyone wanting to marry an animal... and lets not forget that this is the issue here.

As for the polygamy thing... well, if it works in some countries, why can't it work elsewhere? I also agree with Saliarasri on this one... it is the same case as with myself and other gays/lesbians. If both parties are consenting (or, in the nature of polygamy, ALL parties are consenting, meaning more than two people ) why should it matter? Noone is being hurt.

To quote you on one point morgan:

"If we budge on one topic, we will have to budge on them all"

I highly doubt that this is a straightforward assumption, and, if it is to happen this way, it just means that the people who have been oppressed in the first place obviously have a case to be heard.

I think you will find that if Gay marriage is allowed, more cases will be put forward, however, they may not necessarily be won. The case must have substantial backing on why it should be allowed, and the reasons for why those lobbying for it would like it to be allowed. Just like we (the gay community) have been doing.

Edit: fix messy post twice

[ 10-03-2004, 07:09 PM: Message edited by: Dave_the_quack ]

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[aleph_null1]

Originally posted by Dave_the_quack: To quote you on one point morgan: "If we budge on one topic, we will have to budge on them all" I highly doubt that this is a straightforward assumption, and, if it is to happen this way, it just means that the people who have been oppressed in the first place obviously have a case to be heard.

Right, so the reason Western societies sanction "marriage", as such, is because there is a general understanding that it's good for society. The "family" is still the fundamental unit, that which raises children & causes economies to thrive.

It is not a big jump to extend this sanction to homosexual marriages, if the general society can be made to believe that the same family unit serves the same purposes. Whether this can extend to polygamous/&tc. families is perhaps another issue, but the acceptance of general society is still a prerequisite.

[Saliarasri]

No. It's not, and the Constituion was built FOR That reason. They feared the rule of "King Mob" (take a good look at portions of the original constiution and then Rontesquieu). While i agree that family is the fundamental unit, isn't this nation founded on the pricniples of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"?

It's not neccesary for acceptance of general society. Instead, it's neccesary for understanding/tolerance. You can't ahve acceptence until then

[Dave_the_quack]

Originally posted by aleph_null1: It is not a big jump to extend this sanction to homosexual marriages, if the general society can be made to believe that the same family unit serves the same purposes. Whether this can extend to polygamous/&tc. families is perhaps another issue, but the acceptance of general society is still a prerequisite.

If gay marriage were allowed, then it would be easier for homosexual couples to adopt children, because their union would be more... lets say... permanent? This would consist of the family unit... no? Gay couples can concieve, just not the old fashioned way heh.

Personally I've already told numerous women that they are bearing my children for me.

It seems I just dont have the hips for childbirth.

[aleph_null1]

Originally posted by Saliarasri: It's not neccesary for acceptance of general society. Instead, it's neccesary for understanding/tolerance. You can't ahve acceptence until then

Right, so by saying "acceptance" I include understanding & tolerance. One needn't adopt something oneself in order to accept it, merely respect & tolerate it.

However, as some serious tax issues are also involved, to throw this benefit to homosexual couples without a general acceptance in our pseudo-democracy would be morally negligent.

[Nightwing]

Morgan it is not trendy to be gay. There is a trend of acceptance which is GREAT! However the stigma that follows you if you are gay is still so strong that people would not choose this. The next job interview you go on or the next promotion you want tell the people you are gay and are going to get married to your partner. See how that relates to your chance of getting the job.

I'm a contractor working in an office building of 1000 people. This firm has diversity as its cornrstone for its future. Every month they put up a celebrate diversity topic for certain groups of people, and it goes great. When they put up the one on homosexuality they had so many complaints fro employees and customers they had to take it down.

We have a long way to go before homosexuality is accepted in this country. It is mearly tolerated ot this point with pockets of acceptance. Legalising marriage would move this country in that direction.

Participate in a "walk as one" walk this weekend and show support for love and diversity. All these people want is to have the same rights as all other human beings. A same sex union is not the same right. What if we changed all marriages to same sex unions, than at least everyones rights would be the same.

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We ain't nothing but mammals.. Well, some of us are cannibals
who cut other people open like cantaloupes
But if we can hump dead animals and antelopes
then there's no reason that a man and another man can't elope
But if you feel like I feel, I got the antidote
Women wave your pantyhose, sing the chorus and it goes...

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