Sarevok vs Minsc - Page 4

teardropmina · 09-14-2003, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern:

quote:
Originally posted by Assassin:
Hindo's Doom + Hardiness = bye-bye Death effect.
Death Ward will protect against the Ravager, right?

Yes it will, but who the heck specialises Minsc in Katanas?!?!

[/QUOTE]hmmmm...confess...in my current game, I have Minsc specialized in Katanas since I let him dual wield CFury and FoA [img]tongue.gif[/img]

ADD: btw, I don't want to get into this powergaming comparison thing; as I stated in my first post in this thread, imo, Saverok is a superior NPC to Minsc powergaming wise; my picking of Minsc is more for roleplaying reasons (in particular circumstances).

[ 09-14-2003, 10:13 AM: Message edited by: teardropmina ]

Legos · 09-14-2003, 10:10 AM

Rangers are weaker fighters than fighters (no matter the equipment) but can support the rest of the party better by my understanding.
Having the small arsenal of priest spells makes rangers somewhat better support characters.
While a fighter maybe will manage to deal with the same enemy as the ranger, but he can do it faster and without needing support from the rest of the party...

I find fighters better than rangers.
Sending one fighter to clear the dungeon of the weak goblin hordes is far easier than struggling against the pathing problems while dragging the whole party through every little door to be found in the area...

Also, with this "Psions Blade" Sarevok can clear lairs full of illithids, while with the same equipment minsc would probably still be struggling somewhere.

Now i dont know what the Rangers HLA´s are, but i do know that improved whirlwind attack combined with the Silver Sword can cut down hordes of weaker enemies in no time.

Assassin · 09-14-2003, 01:17 PM

After Improved Hasting himself using an item, Critical Strike will allow Minsc to hit that broadside of the barn... [img]smile.gif[/img]

ADD] How does the Ring of Free Action interact with Greater Whirlwind? Greater Whirlwind will Improve Haste the character, but the Ring of Free Action specifically prevents that.

[ 09-14-2003, 01:25 PM: Message edited by: Assassin ]

Xen · 09-14-2003, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern:
If you want to play with theories... ...

Ring of Free Action, bye-bye Slow
Ravager + GWW, bye-bye Minsc

Powergaming-wise, Minsc has very little chance against Sarevock.

Actually Dundee i was pondering about the RoFA theory altough i was not sure.

Leslie · 09-14-2003, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern:

quote:
Originally posted by Assassin:
Hindo's Doom + Hardiness = bye-bye Death effect.
Death Ward will protect against the Ravager, right?

Yes it will, but who the heck specialises Minsc in Katanas?!?!

That's alright though, since this is all just on paper. Soul Reaver then, since that has no counter AFAIK. After one round of GWW, Minsc will be hardpressed to hit the broad side of a barn. [/QUOTE]1. Sarevok uses Ravager and Minsc can dualwield Hindo's Doom and Axe of Unyielding (or Defender of Easthaven) with Hardiness and Armor of Faith. Minsc wins I think.

2. Sarevok uses Soul Reaver (and Ring of Free Action), Minsc uses DOE + Axe of Unyielding + Improved Haste + Critical Strike. Minsc wins again.

Other combos ?

Lord Lothar · 09-14-2003, 02:37 PM

Wouldnt' it take Minsc a little whiel to cast all those spells, giving Sarevok a much higher chance of wiping him out early?

Xen · 09-14-2003, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord Lothar:
Wouldnt' it take Minsc a little whiel to cast all those spells, giving Sarevok a much higher chance of wiping him out early?

Minsc can use Amulet Of Power becuase he is a Ranger. So he would cast those spells really fast.

Legos · 09-14-2003, 03:20 PM

Why are you taking items into count?
Is it not so, that you can train (Or edit wit this Shadow Keeper) them both to do whatever the other can do, besides spell casting?
Do items matter or the characters themselves?
Tell me, who would win in an unarmed & unarmored fist-fight, Minsc or Sarevok?

IMO Sarevok can do ALL the fighting Minsc can do and do it better.

Oh, and i´m not talking about adding skill points with Shadow Keeper, just taking them from one weapon skill to another without making any invincible killing machines.

Leslie · 09-14-2003, 03:45 PM

A high level Ranger has the same THAC0 as a high level Fighter and they have almost the same HLA's.

Ranger has a couple od priest spells, where Armor of Faith rules, especially in combination with other items or spells or HLA's.

Ranger has two ** in dualwield bonus.

Ranger has Stealth.

He eats fighters for breakfast, then he fights bigger and stronger enemies

Assassin · 09-14-2003, 04:53 PM

Okay, if you really hate using items, then just use a Long Bow (Minsc has proficiencies in it when you pick him up at level 7) and Smite him away. I mean, he can't harm you if he's in hit recovery, right? [img]smile.gif[/img] And, during the second round of Smite, GWW.

09-14-2003, 01:17 PM	#33
Assassin Symbol of Cyric Join Date: March 23, 2003 Location: Canada Age: 37 Posts: 1,134	After Improved Hasting himself using an item, Critical Strike will allow Minsc to hit that broadside of the barn... [img]smile.gif[/img] ADD] How does the Ring of Free Action interact with Greater Whirlwind? Greater Whirlwind will Improve Haste the character, but the Ring of Free Action specifically prevents that. [ 09-14-2003, 01:25 PM: Message edited by: Assassin ] __________________ In The Terminator, Sarah Connor is told a speech by John Connor\'s father that John has given in the future. When John is born, Sarah tells John this speech, and John grows up to tell it in the future. So who wrote the speech?!

09-14-2003, 02:37 PM	#36
Lord Lothar Quintesson Join Date: August 7, 2002 Location: Oakville (next to the T.O.), Ontario, Canada Age: 36 Posts: 1,097	Wouldnt' it take Minsc a little whiel to cast all those spells, giving Sarevok a much higher chance of wiping him out early? __________________ \"King Kong ain\'t got NOTHING on me!\"

09-14-2003, 03:45 PM	#39
Leslie Baaz Draconian Join Date: February 28, 2003 Location: SLO Age: 53 Posts: 737	A high level Ranger has the same THAC0 as a high level Fighter and they have almost the same HLA's. Ranger has a couple od priest spells, where Armor of Faith rules, especially in combination with other items or spells or HLA's. Ranger has two ** in dualwield bonus. Ranger has Stealth. He eats fighters for breakfast, then he fights bigger and stronger enemies __________________ I grow tired of shouting battle cries when fighting this mage. Boo will finish his eyeballs once and for all, so he does not rise again. Evil, meet my sword! SWORD, MEET EVIL!<br />- Minsc

09-14-2003, 04:53 PM	#40
Assassin Symbol of Cyric Join Date: March 23, 2003 Location: Canada Age: 37 Posts: 1,134	Okay, if you really hate using items, then just use a Long Bow (Minsc has proficiencies in it when you pick him up at level 7) and Smite him away. I mean, he can't harm you if he's in hit recovery, right? [img]smile.gif[/img] And, during the second round of Smite, GWW. __________________ In The Terminator, Sarah Connor is told a speech by John Connor\'s father that John has given in the future. When John is born, Sarah tells John this speech, and John grows up to tell it in the future. So who wrote the speech?!

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09-14-2003, 10:10 AM	#32
Legos The Magister Join Date: September 2, 2003 Location: Finland Age: 37 Posts: 125	Rangers are weaker fighters than fighters (no matter the equipment) but can support the rest of the party better by my understanding. Having the small arsenal of priest spells makes rangers somewhat better support characters. While a fighter maybe will manage to deal with the same enemy as the ranger, but he can do it faster and without needing support from the rest of the party... I find fighters better than rangers. Sending one fighter to clear the dungeon of the weak goblin hordes is far easier than struggling against the pathing problems while dragging the whole party through every little door to be found in the area... Also, with this "Psions Blade" Sarevok can clear lairs full of illithids, while with the same equipment minsc would probably still be struggling somewhere. Now i dont know what the Rangers HLA´s are, but i do know that improved whirlwind attack combined with the Silver Sword can cut down hordes of weaker enemies in no time.

09-14-2003, 03:20 PM	#38
Legos The Magister Join Date: September 2, 2003 Location: Finland Age: 37 Posts: 125	Why are you taking items into count? Is it not so, that you can train (Or edit wit this Shadow Keeper) them both to do whatever the other can do, besides spell casting? Do items matter or the characters themselves? Tell me, who would win in an unarmed & unarmored fist-fight, Minsc or Sarevok? IMO Sarevok can do ALL the fighting Minsc can do and do it better. Oh, and i´m not talking about adding skill points with Shadow Keeper, just taking them from one weapon skill to another without making any invincible killing machines.

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