X2 : Mutant identification

[Finn]

<font color="white">Well said, Magik [img]smile.gif[/img]

Apparently, Marvel has a thing for "cosmic" forces. If I remember correctly, the members of the Fantastic Four were imbued with cosmic rays which gave rise to their powers. Its as if they've run out of ways to imbue/create superheroes. Some examples being Spiderman(radioactive spider bite), Hulk(Gamma radiation), Flash(lab experiment gone wrong)...etc...etc...

At least with the X-Men, they don't have to stress their grey matter too much. With some exceptions, most if not all X-men(villians included) got their abilities through gene mutation. End of Story. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Dont' get me wrong, I'm not complaining. Comic books have fueled the imagination of my generation with pseudo-science and what nots.

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[Morgeruat]

Originally posted by Finn: <font color="white">Well said, Magik [img]smile.gif[/img] Apparently, Marvel has a thing for "cosmic" forces. If I remember correctly, the members of the Fantastic Four were imbued with cosmic rays which gave rise to their powers. Its as if they've run out of ways to imbue/create superheroes. Some examples being Spiderman(radioactive spider bite), Hulk(Gamma radiation), Flash(lab experiment gone wrong)...etc...etc... At least with the X-Men, they don't have to stress their grey matter too much. With some exceptions, most if not all X-men(villians included) got their abilities through gene mutation. End of Story. [img]smile.gif[/img] Dont' get me wrong, I'm not complaining. Comic books have fueled the imagination of my generation with pseudo-science and what nots. </font color>

quite interesting that you use the fantastic four as an example of "running out of ideas" when they were Stan Lee's first big superheroes (he worked on the human torch and captain america in the forties, and revived them when he started making his own teams and not just working on whaever was hot at the time)

as magik said, many of the mutants began as children or teens, Jubilee, Kitty Pryde, (the entire cast of Generation X) etc etc.

[Finn]

<font color="white">Moreguat, you've misunderstood my statement. Or perhaps, the fault lies with my choice of words and lack of detail. If so, I apologize. What I meant was that there are many Superhero characters whose powers were borne out of "cosmic" energy/force. The Fantastic Four being one of the first if not the first Superhero team imbued with "cosmic" powers. I implied that Magik's list of characters, subsequent to F4, had the similar "cosmic"(in various forms and guises)catalyst for their powers/abilities.

With regards to teenaged comicbook characters, I definitely have no "beef" with that. The thing that bugs me is the idea of re-inventing established adult characters into teenagers. Thus, throwing the timeline that we've all been acustomed to out of sync and rendered completely null and void. I'd understand if they chose to do a form of "prequel" story arch. For example in "Wolverine #25 " where they featured a juvenile Wolvie living in the wild or in "Wolverine #9 and #10" featuring Wolvie in his late teens(or at least as a young adult). This was all before Wolvie was involved with the X-Men or even Alpha Flight for the matter.

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[ 05-15-2003, 10:05 AM: Message edited by: Finn ]

[Azred]

Originally posted by MagiK: Nova by the way was the former Ms. Marvel (aka Carol Danvers) before Rogue sucked the juce right out of her</font>

<font color = lightgreen>I'm afraid I must disagree with you here, MagiK. Nova was Frankie Ray, who had powers similar to Johnny Storm (the Human Torch). In fact, they were dating when Galactus came back to Earth and was so weak he was going to "have lunch". He wanted a herald and she volunteered because she wanted to travel through the universe, thus he turned her into Nova. She later became involved with the Silver Surfer but eventually died (I think).

What is not discussed often is that those who gained their powers through some sort of accident (like the Fantastic Four) have an induced mutation and are thus mutants; the X-Men are natural mutants.</font>

[Kinslayer]

Originally posted by Spelca: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Grojlach: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Spelca: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric: If that's the case, I would say it's a safe bet that he was checking on Ilyana when he met the guards. Guess we'll know when X3 comes out.</font>

Who's Ilyana? [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]Piotr Rasputin's sister, the character MagiK based his Ironworks-username on. </font>[/QUOTE]What can she do? [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if this is correct but there is a soviet mutant known as Darkstar who appeared in one of the X-men cartoons featuring Collossus and Omega Red who was portrayed as his sister(may be wrong here as it was a long time ago).

She has the mutant ability to summon the darkforce, an extradimensional energy of pure darkness. She can manipulate it for various effects, including flight, teleportation of herself and others, as smokescreen, energy blasts, and for creating simple semi-solid objects.

I'm not sure if she is his sister in the actual comics though, this may have just been a twist unique to the cartoon.

[Kinslayer]

I'm not sure if this is correct but there is a soviet mutant known as Darkstar who appeared in one of the X-men cartoons featuring Collossus and Omega Red who was portrayed as his sister(may be wrong here as it was a long time ago).

She has the mutant ability to summon the darkforce, an extradimensional energy of pure darkness. She can manipulate it for various effects, including flight, teleportation of herself and others, as smokescreen, energy blasts, and for creating simple semi-solid objects.

I'm not sure if she is his sister in the actual comics though, this may have just been a twist unique to the cartoon.

[Kinslayer]

Originally posted by Finn: <font color="white">Well said, Magik [img]smile.gif[/img] Apparently, Marvel has a thing for "cosmic" forces. If I remember correctly, the members of the Fantastic Four were imbued with cosmic rays which gave rise to their powers. Its as if they've run out of ways to imbue/create superheroes. Some examples being Spiderman(radioactive spider bite), Hulk(Gamma radiation), Flash(lab experiment gone wrong)...etc...etc... At least with the X-Men, they don't have to stress their grey matter too much. With some exceptions, most if not all X-men(villians included) got their abilities through gene mutation. End of Story. [img]smile.gif[/img] Dont' get me wrong, I'm not complaining. Comic books have fueled the imagination of my generation with pseudo-science and what nots. </font color>

Flash is a DC comics character. In terms of overall percentage I don't think that many of their characters have got powers in this way, It just happens that some of the most popular ones have. This is probably because it's easier to write for characters that are essentially human, thus easier to identify with, than it is for aliens or mutants who take a bit more thought to make believable(then again, how believable a Giant green Jekyll/Hyde person or a plastic man is I don't know [img]smile.gif[/img] )

[Finn]

<font color="white">Whoa, thanks for correcting that little boo boo I made. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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[Nerull]

Originally posted by Kinslayer: I'm not sure if this is correct but there is a soviet mutant known as Darkstar who appeared in one of the X-men cartoons featuring Collossus and Omega Red who was portrayed as his sister(may be wrong here as it was a long time ago). She has the mutant ability to summon the darkforce, an extradimensional energy of pure darkness. She can manipulate it for various effects, including flight, teleportation of herself and others, as smokescreen, energy blasts, and for creating simple semi-solid objects. I'm not sure if she is his sister in the actual comics though, this may have just been a twist unique to the cartoon.

She was not Colossus's sister. She was part of a three-person soviet team, and one of the other two members was her brother (forget the name, but used a hammer and a sickle as weapons). The third member was Ursus Major, a guy who could shapechange into bear or bear-humanoid form.

[Arnabas]

A little-known fact (or at least I don't know many other people who are aware of it) is that mutants came about due to the intervention of the Celestials. During one of their visits to pre-historic earth they altered humanity's genetic code to allow for the possibility of genetic mutations when the conditions were right.
So, Finn, I guess that makes mutants "cosmic powered", too.