Moderator Question

[Ryanamur]

Originally posted by skywalker: And Ziroc, please stop insulting me with insinuation that is totally unfounded! Mark

And Mark, as a friend I will tell you : drop it!

You've made your point, you've got your answer. The rest is not worth getting into. Yes, you're ego might look like it's been bruised. But in the end, only you can bruise your ego.

Phil

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I'm the Wanderer without a clan... I bring justice without favorism. Though you may not agree with it, my judgement is final... and inconsequential

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[Prime2U]

Originally posted by skywalker: Is that what it sounds like to you Memnoch? That I symathize with the terrorists? Now that I find offensive! Please point me to where in my statements I have said I am on bin laden's side. You don't have to ban me, maybe I should just leave on my own! [Edit] Did you actually read my opening post? Mark [This message has been edited by skywalker (edited 10-20-2001).]

Easy Skywalker, what Memnoch said in his post was that we are fine with your posts and views, because you do NOT condone the terrorists methods. Maybe you misread his response? Maybe you should take your time and read it again Nobody thinks you're supporting terrorists and nobody is planning to ban you.

Prime

[skywalker]

Originally posted by Prime2U: Easy Skywalker, what Memnoch said in his post was that we are fine with your posts and views, because you do NOT condone the terrorists methods. Maybe you misread his response? Maybe you should take your time and read it again Nobody thinks you're supporting terrorists and nobody is planning to ban you. Prime

Don't worry, I've quit this thread. It really doesn't matter any more!

Mark

Originally posted by skywalker: Originally posted by Ziroc: Got THAT right! Anyone that sides with bin Laden is NOT welcomed here. PS: I do agree with ya Mem, is I saw a post say "All Muslims are terrorists" I would FOR SURE ban that person or give them a harsh warning. (I usually give a warning first to everyone unless it's REALLY bad, and I am in a bad mood. lol). Ziroc, I understand where you're coming from, but.... Don't you think there are thousands of people who side with bin laden, because they are not aware of all the details in this terrible time in history. There are many who fall prey to the propaganda of the powerful, who are in a way, ignorant. These people are not evil, they just do not know what it is that has really happened. Some are being brainwashed. I do realise this is your site and you do what you feel is right, but this is not unlike WW2 concerning Hitler and the German people (sorry to bring it up again Kaz and others of the good German nation). Many NOT evil people followed Hitler because the world after WW1 gave them no hope for their future. And as for upsetting others who don't agree with the masses? You should be ashamed that you don't care how others feel when some stuff is posted that hurts them. Your outrage appears to be just outright posturing and breastbeating. It is always the right thing to care about how others feel...it is God's will and God's way. I don't support terrorism and those who commit it, but I don't refuse to understand why people are upset and blindly follow the path of such leaders. Oppression is easy in a broken country! mark

Oh I know those people are innocent. They want, no--HOPE someone will lead them to a greater good, but I am talking about Bin here. One reason Bin is greatly viewed in some areas is because he speaks very well, and is smart. He also Speaks in "Classic" Arabic, and that is greatly respected. He uses his skills to 'woo' people into believing in his cause. But he doesn't tell them the WHOLE story.

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Ziroc™
Ironworks Webmaster
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Originally posted by skywalker: All I know is that I am being crucified over something I never said. Now I understand how Moni felt! Mark

What is that supposed to mean?? BTW, I know know what you meant, and see where you are coming from, if people that support him visit here, and are offended--that is what you were saying right? All I can say is oh well. But in reality, there are not that many people that follow him.

Many may believe that we should not be in their lands, but what if we said "We don't want you in ours?" Doesn't matter, we would never do that. I DO agree that we shouldn't be taking sides in the Israel/Pakistan War, but it's very hard and a sensitive thing.. very political as well.

Mark, I am not personally attacking you, I just thought you were siding with HIM personally, and got mad. Sorry about that! It's just that the WTC attack REALLY upset me (Like I was a New Yorker) Because I watch Local NY news every morning, and saw those grand towers each morning.. (Sigh..)



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Ziroc™
Ironworks Webmaster
www.tgeweb.com/ironworks

[John D Harris]

I don't know if Skywalker is gone or not but everyone that blasted him and MISUNDERSTOOD what he was saying owes him an apology.

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A clean Head shot on that sack of Horse Manure Usuma Bin Laden PRICELESS!

[Liliara]

Ziroc, I don't see where you have to explain anything further. You are just in all that you have said. I personally aggree that anyone offended by bin Laden toilet paper, seems to be flirting a little too closely with the opposing side of terrorists (not Muslims)! Not saying that Skywalker is a terrorist or supports terrorism, but would he have defended the Hitler supporters in this way? If I were alive during WW2 and someone came in saying "oh, PLEASE be careful, some Nazis may be offended" I would be sickened, as I am now! Any INTELLIGENT Muslim knows that we are being as careful as we can NOT to offend their people just because we are going after TERRORISTS!!! Hell, we have all nations within the boarders of the US and we look upon them as neighbors, part of our family! Cheers to you Memnoch and Ziroc for making this a place where ALL can come without the threats of fanatical a$$holes disturbing us in the place we come to get away from the pain they've already caused!

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!

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Captain of Bouncers, Boogre Bar

LH Member


"I've had it up to here, listening to a small segment of people try to put down America! America's the greatest land on Earth, and we oughta be proud of what we have! I'm proud of America, I'm proud of our people, and I'm gonna prove it. We're American and DAMN proud of it! Frankly I'm getting a little ticked off...go ta ****"... Dink (if anyone knows who originally said this, please let me know!)

[Liliara]

Originally posted by John D Harris: I don't know if Skywalker is gone or not but everyone that blasted him and MISUNDERSTOOD what he was saying owes him an apology.

John, I understand someone not wanting to see another person hurt. You yourself must understand, though, that when someone is celebrating the death (and future death) of another human being, you can't be upset when fate turns around and kicks them in the butt, setting them on fire. Give me a break! These images need to be shown if only to teach others not to hail such cruelty of terrorism!



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Captain of Bouncers, Boogre Bar

LH Member


"I've had it up to here, listening to a small segment of people try to put down America! America's the greatest land on Earth, and we oughta be proud of what we have! I'm proud of America, I'm proud of our people, and I'm gonna prove it. We're American and DAMN proud of it! Frankly I'm getting a little ticked off...go ta ****"... Dink (if anyone knows who originally said this, please let me know!)

[Bullvye]

Bin Laden toilet paper?... American Express parody?... So these images offend some people, huh? Well allow me to share some images that offended me:

The images of two passenger airplanes exploding into the WTC towers, the images of hundreds of New Yorkers running, their faces masked in fear from the collapsing buildings, the images of hundreds of dust and soot covered first responders searching through a mountain of debris, the images of the Pentagon in flames, my mind's images of the Philadelphia flight and the brave people on board who kept it from reaching its destination.

These images made ME sick! Yet I was unable to escape them while they were broadcast, day after day, on every channel.

I'm happy to see Memnoch and Zirock's stand. Let us ALL remember that to kill thousands of innocent people to serve any political or personal purpose IS INSANE!!

My only regret is that I can't be the one to pull the trigger when Bin Laden is found!

[Memnoch]

Originally posted by skywalker: Is that what it sounds like to you Memnoch? That I symathize with the terrorists? Now that I find offensive! Please point me to where in my statements I have said I am on bin laden's side. You don't have to ban me, maybe I should just leave on my own! [Edit] Did you actually read my opening post? Mark [This message has been edited by skywalker (edited 10-20-2001).]

Look, I apologize for my tone here, but I'm getting really tired of my words being misunderstood. In future, I will try to write more clearly to minimize the possibility of miscommunication. Yes, I read your opening post, and that is why my response is directed to YOU. Did you read MY post?

Posted by skywalker: Anyone who might sympathize with their cause (America out of the Middle East, America to stop supporting Israel, etc.) but disagree with their methods and actions (such as yourself - correct me if I'm wrong) is of course welcome to post their views. We allow anyone to have their say as long as they do NOT advocate terrorism to achieve their goals. You may find yourself in the minority opinion, but we can't do anything about that. I don't think this is too much to ask?

My comment stemmed from the fact that the general tone and feeling I get from previous posts you have made which appear to sympathize with bin Laden's general CAUSE (which is to get America to change its mideast policies and consider that the majority of Arab nations have legitimate claims vs. US actions and bias) but disagree with his terrorist METHODS. I was SUPPORTING your right to have your say, even though you may be in the minority. If you took that to mean I was accusing you of supporting terrorism then that couldn't be further from the truth. I am speaking to YOU because YOU asked the question - not because YOU are a terrorist. I don't remember saying or even intimating that anywhere. Jeez!

Chill out, dude! Don't jump to the wrong conclusion.

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[This message has been edited by Memnoch (edited 10-21-2001).]