A curious question

[Yorick]

I'm sorry to hear that Mark

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[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Horatio: Just a question: Are people in your area forgettion the events of 9-11? well, not forgetting but at least getting bored with hearing about it? I just want to know.

Not in Alabama, the events of 11, Sept. 2001 were an act of war, where I come from we don't abandon our dead, or their families.



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Airline ticket to Afghanistan $800
High powered rifle with scope $1000
Hotel room with roof access $100
A clean Head shot on that sack of Horse Manure Usuma Bin Laden PRICELESS!

[skywalker]

Sorry to say what about to say, but...

I am very sorry that so many thousands of airline workers have lost their jobs since 9/11. But there were many people that had lost their jobs when the Technology Industries went bust. I did not see the government coming to the rescue at that time. I guess it's just a case of bitterness, but when the airlines have not been able to turn a profit for years and now that disaster has struck, here comes Mr. Bush like a shining knight leading the charge to save them.

Sorry, but I guess I'm too close to the issue and I apologize if I've offended any airline workers. Sometimes, I too, get a little angry at the unfairness of life.

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Mark

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by Yorick: Trying to claim that all this is for an oil pipeline flies in the face of the abundant information we have about the situation. It is lunacy. There is a word for people that think the rest of the world is insane and they are the only sane ones. Madness.

I have to agree, it just doesn't make sense to say that we're in this for the money after what has happened. It's not like we're making up just "any old" reason to roll into Afghanistan. They are harboring a terrorist who mastermind the intentional deaths of 5,000+ world citizens, primarily Americans, on American soil. This is an act of war. The Taliban refused to turn him over knowing full well the cost to their population. They continue to this day to say, "he is safe, and still in Afghanistan, but we don't know where." This has nothing to do with economics or a pipeline.

As to the cluster bombs and further the unexploded bomb packets and their coloring, they are meant to kill soft targets. They are meant to kill troops. They are targeted on Afghany troops and light military vehicles, not civilians. They are brightly colored so that unexploded packets will not be considered landmines per the UN. They are all suppose to explode, but when they don't this is a warning sign. It is tragic that the meals are similarly labeled. They're dropping leaflets explaining the difference (which will probably save as many Taliban soldiers as civilians), and changing the color of the meal packets.

There are always conspiracy theories, and sometimes there are conspiracies, but most often "what you see is what you get."


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[John D Harris]

Originally posted by skywalker: I am very sorry that so many thousands of airline workers have lost their jobs since 9/11. But there were many people that had lost their jobs when the Technology Industries went bust. I did not see the government coming to the rescue at that time. I guess it's just a case of bitterness, but when the airlines have not been able to turn a profit for years and now that disaster has struck, here comes Mr. Bush like a shining knight leading the charge to save them.

I agree with you. Do we bail out the hotel industry? what about the theme park or resort industy? The gov't does have the responsbility to help but a staight bailout? I think the Gov't should have purchased airline tickets to be used by gov't employees on gov't business. Instead of a cash bailout, buy the same amount of monies worth of tickets, after all that is capitalism. We pay money for products or sevices rendered.
Skywalker are you sure you are not a conservative?



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Crustiest of the OLD COOTS
Airline ticket to Afghanistan $800
High powered rifle with scope $1000
Hotel room with roof access $100
A clean Head shot on that sack of Horse Manure Usuma Bin Laden PRICELESS!

[Fljotsdale]

Originally posted by skywalker: I plus 5 others lost our jobs this past July another 6 lost theirs several months earlier. The terrorists attacks just drove the final nail. The Fed has been in denial over the recession, it had begun (I believe) before 9/11. It has been a very personal recession to me.

True. UK news media (stock market reports mostly, but also regular news) had been going on about an American recession long before Sept 11th. As you say - just the last nail. Though it is now being touted as the 'reason', since it lets the powers that be off the hook.

You've been doing a sterling job in this thread, Skywalker - once again I agree with Ronn_Bman (this is getting to be a habit!)

I found the Pilger article interesting. I must say I look at a little askance, since it was in the Mirror, but Pilger has generally been shown to know what he is talking about. I agree with Yorick that figures would have been helpful, but the Mirror doesn't go in for figures, which is doubtless why they were none in the article. Pilger is not short on facts in TV coverage.

I knew about the cluster bombing, though, and was appalled. Previously, though very much agaist this war I sort of accepted the propaganda that it was only aimed at terrorists. Once I heard about the cluster bombs the 'scales fell from my eyes'. Cluster bombs are civilian-specific weapons, imo, and totally unjustified no matter what excuses may be offered. I also remember about the pipeline stuff, but doubt it was the immediate issue in the decision to bomb. Probably lurking in the near background, though.

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"If I say something to you and it can be taken two ways, and one of those ways upsets you...I meant the other one."

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by skywalker: I think Amerca is already in a recession if not for the last several months previously. Just because my government refuses to recognize this does not mean we are not already there. It's all politics, the numbers have been there for a while now.

I'll agree with that. They been trying everything to stop what has happened (recession) more than to prevent recession.

Regarding Yorick's point, I think he was aiming it more at the ideas from the article which seemed to say America's involvement in Afghanistan has to do with our monetary interest in the Afghan pipe line, which he and I don't believe.

I don't think you're agreeing with the article because as you stated you were just posting it on a request and not agreeing or disagreeing.



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[skywalker]

Originally posted by John D Harris: [/b] I agree with you. Do we bail out the hotel industry? what about the theme park or resort industy? The gov't does have the responsbility to help but a staight bailout? I think the Gov't should have purchased airline tickets to be used by gov't employees on gov't business. Instead of a cash bailout, buy the same amount of monies worth of tickets, after all that is capitalism. We pay money for products or sevices rendered. Skywalker are you sure you are not a conservative? [/B]

No fair! No fair! John is insulting me! Make him stop!

Seriously though! It may appear that I am a liberal (ooh what a dirty word) most of the time, but I do have some conservative leanings. I is an Independant!
I follow no drummer, but stumble blindly my own way. My hero is Bernie Sanders! Wait a minute...I'm not that Independant!

[Edit]Trying to fix the stupid quote function!

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Mark



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[John D Harris]

Originally posted by skywalker: I think Amerca is already in a recession if not for the last several months previously. Just because my government refuses to recognize this does not mean we are not already there. It's all politics, the numbers have been there for a while now.

We were in a recession, much worse than the "recession of 92".
Mark isn't Plainfield south of Norwhich (SP?) and SSW of Barre?



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Crustiest of the OLD COOTS
Airline ticket to Afghanistan $800
High powered rifle with scope $1000
Hotel room with roof access $100
A clean Head shot on that sack of Horse Manure Usuma Bin Laden PRICELESS!

[Lord of Alcohol]

Hugh, send me an e-mail will ya? I would like to converse with you about some things. Paul