Blair is spot on.

[Ronn_Bman]

Blair is right on target again this morning!

In his statement regarding the fall of Kabul, he emphasied to the Afghan people, "this time we will not walk away from you."

Continuing to be strong in support while acknowledging past failures.

[ 11-13-2001: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]

[Donut]

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Originally posted by Ronn_Bman:
Blair is right on target again this morning!

In his statement regarding the fall of Kabul, he emphasied to the Afghan people, "this time we will not walk away from you."

Continuing to be strong in support while acknowledging past failures.

[ 11-13-2001: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]

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Oi! Tony, if you're so bloody great why don't you come back 'ere and sort this bloody mess out.

NHS
Public Transport
Education
Decline of the manufacturing industry
unemployment
law & order
asylum system
european single currency
pensions
housing
race relations
pollution
drug abuse
taxation
local government
BSE
foot & mouth
economy
northern ireland


As far as I know you were never elected as a President, why are you behaving like one?

[Ronn_Bman]

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Originally posted by Donut:



Oi! Tony, if you're so bloody great why don't you come back 'ere and sort this bloody mess out.

NHS
Public Transport
Education
Decline of the manufacturing industry
unemployment
law & order
asylum system
european single currency
pensions
housing
race relations
pollution
drug abuse
taxation
local government
BSE
foot & mouth
economy
northern ireland


As far as I know you were never elected as a President, why are you behaving like one?

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No one man can single-handed solve any nation's problems.

I don't know about his home policies and haven't met a Brit online who likes him, but I do know on the international level, he is well received, making Britain look good, and that is a positive point [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Donut]

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Originally posted by Ronn_Bman:


No one man can single-handed solve any nation's problems.

I don't know about his home policies and haven't met a Brit online who likes him, but I do know on the international level, he is well received, making Britain look good, and that is a positive point [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Suprisingly enough the same thing happened with Thatcher. I think the problem is that you only see the staged managed set piece speeches. That's why we have differing perceptions of him.

[Ronn_Bman]

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Originally posted by Donut:


Suprisingly enough the same thing happened with Thatcher. I think the problem is that you only see the staged managed set piece speeches. That's why we have differing perceptions of him.

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Exactly! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Kind of the opposite with US. At home President Bush is perceived by the majority as doing a good job with the War on Terrorism and keeping post 9-11 spending in "check", but internationally, the impression isn't as good. Of course not all American's will agree with that, but at least for now the overwhelming majority supports his efforts.

[tracey]

the war against terrorism, hmmmmm, so, very soon then, we should see the biggest propogator of state terrorism brought to justice quite soon then?

the ira are planting car bombs in britain again - ooo, ooo, shall we soon see dublin being carpet bombed?

the british government DO NOT have the support of the british people. WE are protesting in huge numbers all over britain. 50,000 last london protest - this sunday should see at least double that number.

last sunday in rome two marches occured:
pro-war 40,000

pro-peace 150,000

i think by now we all know that this conflict has nothing to do with terrorism and i'm amazed and bewildered that some people on this forum are so affected by u.s political propogander that some of you still actually believe what you're hearing.

you are aware, i hope, that your media and press is operating under an embargo?

the anti-war movement is growing in britain because we're not afraid to speak out. we don't give a damn if we're anti american or anti british. we're pro-justice. and currently that just isn't happening.

get off your arses people and start your own movement if you disagree with what's going on.

[Ronn_Bman]

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Originally posted by tracey:
the british government DO NOT have the support of the british people. WE are protesting in huge numbers all over britain. 50,000 last london protest - this sunday should see at least double that number.

i think by now we all know that this conflict has nothing to do with terrorism and i'm amazed and bewildered that some people on this forum are so affected by u.s political propogander that some of you still actually believe what you're hearing.

you are aware, i hope, that your media and press is operating under an embargo?

the anti-war movement is growing in britain because we're not afraid to speak out. we don't give a damn if we're anti american or anti british. we're pro-justice. and currently that just isn't happening.

get off your arses people and start your own movement if you disagree with what's going on.

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No one in Britain, outside the government, supports the war? Wow! Why protest at all? Why not just remove the government? If they are abdicating their charge to act for the good of the population? [img]smile.gif[/img]

If no British supported this war and every British citizen were as opposed as you are to it, Britain would be in a state of civil disorder bordering on revolution. The truth is some Brits do support the war, just not all of them. Maybe not even most of them, but to say no one supports the effort isn't really true. Support always dwindles over time in these situations, but it isn't really as bad as all that.

It is a war on terrorism and nothing else, and it is working. Propoganda works both ways, and I've heard it from both sides, here and on the news. BTW, we don't live in a vacuum only getting the news our government wants us to see. The networks cover this thoroughly, and we do get BBC and other international news programs on satellite, not to mention news articles in print and online that also are not censored.

Americans aren't idiots who blindly follow their leaders and never have been, but we don't have to protest everything they do to prove it. American's aren't protesting because an overwhelming majority agree with the current actions. American's have never been afraid to speak out and protest against the government, never, and now is no exception. American's are behind the president's actions because we believe he is right.

I agree, American's who are against this action should get off their "arses" and do something to let the government and other Americans know what they think.

Tracy, I think you're wrong, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's true. I don't think you are an idiot who is blindly following others, ignoring the world around you, not listening to what is said, but instead, think you are following your personal beliefs.

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[Yorick]

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Originally posted by tracey:
i think by now we all know that this conflict has nothing to do with terrorism and i'm amazed and bewildered that some people on this forum are so affected by u.s political propogander that some of you still actually believe what you're hearing.

you are aware, i hope, that your media and press is operating under an embargo?

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People, this is a post of such ignorant, paranoid delusion I cannot express enough the importance of disregarding it.

There is no such thing as "propogander" either BTW. Try "Propaganda" for size.

And yes, propaganda is always in effect. It can also be called BIAS.

: pro·pa·gan·da
Pronunciation: "prä-p&-'gan-d&, "prO-
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin, from Congregatio de propaganda fide Congregation for propagating the faith, organization established by Pope Gregory XV died 1623
Date: 1718
1 capitalized : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions
2 : the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3 : ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect

[ 11-13-2001: Message edited by: Yorick ]

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dramnek_Ulk:
...The USA goverment undertook this action knowing they would kill innocents,...knowing it would increase an already fanatical hatered of them ... More innocents will die in afghanistan just for bush an blair to ride the wave of popularity. Effectively by going on about all the people who died on september the 11th they are trying to say that the lives of westerners who died is more important than people in afghanistan, whereas all lives are equally valuble.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dramnek_Ulk:
...The USA goverment undertook this action knowing they would kill innocents,...knowing it would increase an already fanatical hatered of them ... More innocents will die in afghanistan just for bush an blair to ride the wave of popularity. Effectively by going on about all the people who died on september the 11th they are trying to say that the lives of westerners who died is more important than people in afghanistan, whereas all lives are equally valuble.

Not being an American, some of you will not understand how Americans think. We are only a few liberals or peace lovers when attacked. Most of us here in America are fighters with a strong will. We support Bush and respect Blair for his stand. We have not love of people who have a fanatial hate for us and yes we do think their lives are of less value. We are the strongest nation on earth and wish this over quick even if it means the death of many in places like Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, .... Stand behind us or to the side, but never stand in the way of the US military.