spanish journalist killed after us tank attacks press hotel

Originally posted by norompanlasolas: lolol... i gotta say james, you sometimes crack me up! [img]graemlins/laugh2.gif[/img] Glad you saw the humor for what it was [img]smile.gif[/img] unlike you i have not posted my cv here for everyone to read, so you havent got the faintest clue where ive been or who i am. but hey, if that makes you happy, im reeeally jealous of your grand military career. [img]graemlins/biglaugh.gif[/img] Actually Noro, you and I have discussed your past a bit, and wile I do not remember the exact details I do remember your first few days here at IW and our discussions and the general gist of what you were conveying. Not sure what you mean by CV...to me a CV is an Aircraft Carrier....unless you mean Curriculum Vitae(sp) Personally I don't use latin to communicate, I leave that to eggheads in ivory towers who never go into the real world [img]smile.gif[/img] Anyway I lost track of where this discussion with you was supposed to be headed.

Originally posted by Night Stalker: No, a 5.56 mm - .50 cal round cannot destroy a tank at any range. But, the TC and Gunner are extremely vulnerable to snipers when open hatch, and as has already been shown, the driver can be hit with a very skilled/lucky shot and render the tank an uncontrolled weapon. I am refering to the Marine tank that went over a bridge when the driver was killed, killing the whole crew. As for ranges, it all depends on model. for sniper rifles, anywhere from 1100 m to 3 km. for RPGs/anti-tank missles, 1100 m to 8 km.

Errr Just to be a stickler for detail NS [img]smile.gif[/img] a .50 Callibur round is actually about 12.7mm. The 7.62 round is a .308 calibur or thereabouts [img]smile.gif[/img] The 7.62 is apparently the Sniper calibur of choice except for extremely long ranges in which the .50 cal is the way to go. 5.56mm is the .223 round which is now a good Assault rifle round [img]smile.gif[/img]

Edit: for typo's and accuracy.

[ 04-09-2003, 09:33 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[Melusine]

Originally posted by MagiK: Actually Noro, you and I have discussed your past a bit, and wile I do not remember the exact details I do remember your first few days here at IW and our discussions and the general gist of what you were conveying. Not sure what you mean by CV...to me a CV is an Aircraft Carrier....unless you mean Curriculum Vitae(sp) Personally I don't use latin to communicate, I leave that to eggheads in ivory towers who never go into the real world [img]smile.gif[/img] Anyway I lost track of where this discussion with you was supposed to be headed.

"Personally I don't use latin to communicate"

Well, strictly speaking I'm afraid that's not true.
actual(ly) [Middle English via Old French actuel from Late Latin actualis, from actus act n.]
discuss(ed) [earlier in the sense ‘dispel, disperse’: Middle English from Latin discutere discuss- ‘disperse’ (as dis-, quatere ‘shake’)]
exact [[Latin exigere exact- (as ex-1, agere ‘drive’)]]
remember [Middle English via Old French remembrer from Late Latin rememorari (as re-, Latin memor ‘mindful’)]
convey(ing) [Middle English via Old French conveier from medieval Latin conviare (as com-, Latin via ‘way’)]
general [Middle English via Old French from Latin generalis (as genus)]
personal(ly) [Middle English via Old French from Latin personalis]
communicate [Latin communicare communicat- (as common)]
ivory [Middle English from Old French yvoire, ultimately from Latin ebur eboris]
real [Anglo-French = Old French reel, Late Latin realis, from Latin res ‘thing’]

Don't feel bad, errare humanum est [img]tongue.gif[/img]

"I leave that to eggheads in ivory towers who never go into the real world"

You mean doctors, surgeons and the like. Useless bunch, I fully agree!

PS (post scriptum ) to many people, CV is an extremely common phrase to denote the list of jobs they've done and schools they've attended. I don't even HAVE another word for it.

Ave atque vale.
Vah! Denuone Latine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur
(Oh! Was I speaking Latin again? Silly me. Sometimes it just sort of slips out)
[img]tongue.gif[/img]

Edit: with thanks to the OED

[ 04-09-2003, 10:05 AM: Message edited by: Melusine ]

[Skunk]

When you had down time did you get dressed in civilian clothes and go out and eat or go to the movies or go on a date?

No, this was more than twenty years ago and going to the bar was likely to get you killed. If you did leave the base in civvies, you always carried a side-arm with you (and it was rare to leave).

BTW, I was always taught that once battle is joined, speed saves lives on the battle field.

I do not deny that - nor do I deny that your first duty is to your comrades and that all other considerations are secondary. But I would argue that, in a populated zone, a commander has a duty to minimise civilian casualties and I don't believe this concept crossed the tank commanders mind.

I think that what happened in this instance is that someone spotted the sun reflected off of a reporter's camera/binoculars rather than any shots being seen. The tank commander, aware that his call cost the lives of 'innocents' justified his actions by saying that he came under fire.

Bearing in mind the phrase "brother-in-arms", the tank crew is bound to confirm their commander's story:
"Yeah we were under fire"
"What time did it happen?"
"I looked at my watch and it said the same time that the lieutenant said that it was"...
And any of the infrantry being covered by the tank and they will all say that they saw the muzzle flash (even the ones standing directly behind the tank).

Soldiers stick together - even more so when they've fought alongside eachother. There'll be a cursory inquiry and the incident will be written as one of those things that happen "in-the-fog-of-war".

[Night Stalker]

psst .... Magik .... you missed a nit! [img]tongue.gif[/img] the 5.45 mm is the smallest combat round used. Also I was highlighting the small arms range, not mentioning prefered sniping rounds.

Mel, we call them a resume' (mark over the last e) here - pronounced res oo may. Oh and you make me laugh! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Skunk,
Nevermind the fact that there is plenty of video tape showing sniper fire as the tanks crossed the bridge...the fact that air support was called in to take care of a sniper hidden from the view of the tank...the same sniper I might add that shot at the camera doing the filming lol.

I seriously doubt that this will get the attention that people are literally whining for. Putting yourself in a war zone may get you killed.

[ 04-09-2003, 10:58 AM: Message edited by: Lil Lil ]

[Melusine]

I know the *English* language has a different word for curriculum vitae, NS, but as you may have noted I'm from the Netherlands, where CV *is* the only phrase for it. However, in any case it remains highly ironic and funny to me that if Magik frowns upon the use of Latin, he would approve of the use of a FRENCH word like resumé for the same thing.

Originally posted by Melusine: I know the *English* language has a different word for curriculum vitae, NS, but as you may have noted I'm from the Netherlands, where CV *is* the only phrase for it. However, in any case it remains highly ironic and funny to me that if Magik frowns upon the use of Latin, he would approve of the use of a FRENCH word like resumé for the same thing.

Mel, I never said I frowned on it...I said I leave it for the egg heads in ivory towers, in my environment both professional and personal, no one really uses Latin...oh there are the bits and pieces of it that are used to make our language but in general you don't hear it much out side of educational institutions.

I also have nothing against the french language, we use bits and pieces of it to cobble together our American version of english as well. I am quite aware that the language I speak is really a little latin, a bit spanish, some french, german and portugese and other languages as well.

[quote]Originally posted by Melusine:

Originally posted by MagiK: [qb]Well, strictly speaking I'm afraid that's not true. actual(ly) [Middle English via Old French actuel from Late Latin actualis, from actus act n.] discuss(ed) [earlier in the sense ‘dispel, disperse’: Middle English from Latin discutere discuss- ‘disperse’ (as dis-, quatere ‘shake’)] exact [[Latin exigere exact- (as ex-1, agere ‘drive’)]] remember [Middle English via Old French remembrer from Late Latin rememorari (as re-, Latin memor ‘mindful’)] convey(ing) [Middle English via Old French conveier from medieval Latin conviare (as com-, Latin via ‘way’)] general [Middle English via Old French from Latin generalis (as genus)] personal(ly) [Middle English via Old French from Latin personalis] communicate [Latin communicare communicat- (as common)] ivory [Middle English from Old French yvoire, ultimately from Latin ebur eboris] real [Anglo-French = Old French reel, Late Latin realis, from Latin res ‘thing’] Don't feel bad, errare humanum est [img]tongue.gif[/img] "I leave that to eggheads in ivory towers who never go into the real world" You mean doctors, surgeons and the like. Useless bunch, I fully agree! PS (post scriptum ) to many people, CV is an extremely common phrase to denote the list of jobs they've done and schools they've attended. I don't even HAVE another word for it. Ave atque vale. Vah! Denuone Latine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur (Oh! Was I speaking Latin again? Silly me. Sometimes it just sort of slips out) [img]tongue.gif[/img] Edit: with thanks to the OED

Nice nit picking, but my comment stands, Latin as such is not used to communicate in my professional and personal life...except for the bits and pieces our language is cobbled together with....I apologize that our American English doggeral isn't as pure and sweet as the flowing and pure french language.

Edit: Had he used the words Curriculum Vitae I would have known what he was talking about but with my documented Naval background I was thinking Aircraft Carriers (designated CV's)not Latin phrases....The former is used far more often in my life than is the latter)

[ 04-09-2003, 11:01 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

not-picking is right...petty as well, not to mention completely off topic and uncalled for.
Need I remind you people that arguing over the internet is like running in the Special Olympics?