10-06-2001, 05:07 AM | #81 | |
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All holy books claim they are inspired by god. (And maybe they are? Who knows?) What I say is, prove it. But it's unlikely, in my opinion. Why would god create two sexes, for example, and give one superiority and authority over the other? A recipe for inhumanity, abuse, exploitation - disaster, in fact. And disaster is what has resulted. It's only relatively recently that women have begun to recover from the outrages perpetuated upon them by 200 years of Christianity. (Not just Christianity. Other religions have this same element.) This kind of UTTER CRAP does lead me to believe that man (rather than woman) had more than just a hand in writing the bible. God, my Aunt Fanny. Are you Christians all simple, or something?? Much power is vested in the idea of a book which is an 'authority', which contains 'truth'. It can be used to perpetuate all kinds of injustice, and has been! ------------------ Most Ecstatic and Exotic Mistress of the Illuminati |
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10-06-2001, 05:17 AM | #82 | |
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Sure, why not, in the first instance, a book is a useful way of finding out about 'stuff', but what about direct experience? The day to day connection with the divine? There doesn't seem to be much about that, and to my mind, it's the most important element. All this bible stuff is just getting away from the subject, no? History and geography, great... but why get so hung up on a load of stuff that's happened so far back in the past? Let's face it, things have changed, and what 'might' have been relevant way back when, might not be so relevant now. I find all this scripture quoting just bizarre. Why not answer questions on god with your own thoughts? If god made us, then I'm sure s/he considers our views on matters just as important as his/her own. All this endless quoting back and forwards and arguing from the bible just seems to me irrelevant. It's all to do with interpretation anyway, and that is going to change according to your own personal, subjective view. ------------------ Most Ecstatic and Exotic Mistress of the Illuminati |
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10-06-2001, 05:20 AM | #83 | |
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10-06-2001, 05:28 AM | #84 |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bullvye:
Knowing that the Holy Spirit works through the Word, my hope was that God, not me, would give him( or her...?) the answers that he was looking for. After all " Faith comes by hearing, and hearing, by the Word of God" [quote] The Holy Spirit works through the Word. What I don't understand is why god is so lazy!! What you seem to be saying is that he inspired a book to be written, in bits and pieces, admittedly, a very long time ago indeed, and since then, has had nothing to say on any subject? Are there any other writings which Christians would accept as being 'inspired', perhaps of a more recent date, and which have more relevance to situations and events in today's world? If god is omnipotent, and omnipresent, I can't see why that would present any difficulty. (I am not being flip, I truly believe this.) I cannot understand why Christians insists on hearking back to the bible all the time, when there is inspiration everywhere. May I recommend a book called 'Conversations with God', channelled by an American called Neale Donald Walsch. Whether it is inspired by god or not I have no idea, however, it talks a lot of sense, and I find it way more relevant than the bible. To my mind, the bible contains one statement that - if we were to take it to heart and live it truly - would cause love, peace and happiness to flourish throughout the world. That statement is 'love thy neighbour as thyself'. However, some practical help on how we go about truly loving (and for that matter, being) our true selves (impossible to love anyone else without that being in place) would be useful. The bible tends to fall down on that side of things. The big hole in christian teaching, to my mind. That's where 'Conversations with God' comes in. Bridge that gap, guys and gals, and let's make the world a better place. ------------------ Most Ecstatic and Exotic Mistress of the Illuminati |
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From Silver Cheetah, "To my mind, the bible contains one statement that - if we were to take it to heart and live it truly - would cause love, peace and happiness to flourish throughout the world. That statement is 'love thy neighbour as thyself'. "
. Matthew 19:19, Mark 12:31, Luke 10:27, Galatians 5:14 . On this point I agree. However, this is the *second* greatest commandment. And in the case of Galations 5:14, it states that this sums up the entire law. . As far as my *own* thoughts, I believe that there a great deal of people living today who cannot see outside their own experiences, whose parameters for reality are set by what they can imagine, and not by what is unimaginable. Good and evil are always seen by these people from their own points of view, nearly always towards the benefit of themselves. I think "egocentric" is the word for which I search. . What is nearly universal among Christians and non-Christians alike is presumption that humans innately know God's motives, and that God's thought processes and reasoning are based only upon whatever that particular person has knowledge (and mostly indirect knowledge at that) in the person's <100 year life-span. . The arguments of Bible validity and Christian belief are not the same, nor are they dependent upon one another. |
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You must be aware yourself that there are many things in the bible that DEMAND to be answered. In fact, the apostle Paul made a point of saying that christians should 'examine the scriptures daily' in order to 'prove' for themselves 'the good and acceptable word of God'. 'Examining' means asking questions - including the questions that various people have raised in this thread. And since the answers are to be found in the bible, how can it be christian-bashing to ask christians to ANSWER those questions? It seems like a reasonable request to me. I'm really pleased you intend to post answers! I look forward with interet! ------------------ Dubbed Queen of the Illuminati by Diogenes. |
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Now make with the answers, lol! ------------------ Dubbed Queen of the Illuminati by Diogenes. |
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10-06-2001, 09:06 AM | #89 | |
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Of course you are correct that even if the Bible claimed in every other line to be the infallible word of God, it would not mean we have to believe it for a second. However, in this case, we have people claiming that the Bible is the ultimate authority for religious beliefs, being the inspired infallible word of God, when that same ultimate authority makes no such claim. So what is the origin of said belief? Obviously, it is from a source OUTSIDE the Bible itself. Again, this line of reasoning is only relevant for those who take such a position on the Bible to begin with. As has been said above by several people, it is not necessary to take such a stance on the Bible to be a Christian. |
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10-06-2001, 03:08 PM | #90 | |
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I get the impression, reading the above posts, that many of us on this thread are waiting with bated breath for the answers. (Cheetah is sitting nicely and patiently, paws tucked in and tail curled at just the correct angle, singing happy little waiting songs to herself....) ------------------ Most Ecstatic and Exotic Mistress of the Illuminati [This message has been edited by Silver Cheetah (edited 10-06-2001).] |
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