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02-09-2009, 04:08 PM | #31 | |
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Who or what is the objective entity which conducted this investigation and what data was examined?
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02-09-2009, 07:15 PM | #32 | |
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02-09-2009, 07:46 PM | #33 | |
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We know that isn't going to really happen. Biologists will continue lecturing that, even though they can't state with certainty how life actually began, they can state with certainty that it wasn't through Divine Creation. The hypocritical nature of their presentation will slip by many (We may not be completely right, but we know these other guys are completely wrong). This is an example of acceptable indoctrination.
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02-09-2009, 07:53 PM | #34 | |
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Even SecretMaster concedes that the real scientists doing real research on the issue may be not be right. But, that's not what you hear on the news and from the media. To listen to them is to believe that global warming (and man's responsibility for causing it) are foregone conclusions (much the same as evolution is presented as a foregone conclusion, even though there is evidence that contradicts it as well). The fact is that many classes - especially in science - tend to lead student towards conclusions the teachers want them to believe rather than encouraging them to question everything and decide for themselves.
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02-09-2009, 08:38 PM | #35 | |
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The Muller experiment in the 50's that showed the creation of amino acids from ammonia, methane, hydrogen and water. Oro's work in the early 60's which produced amino acids, and a nucleotide base from an aqueous mixture of hydrogen cyanide and ammonia. Wikipedia has a nice overview of some of these experiments. There's also the fact that there are metorites out there full of organic compounds. The Murchison meteorite as an example of this. |
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02-09-2009, 08:57 PM | #36 |
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Organic does not organism make.
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02-09-2009, 09:06 PM | #37 |
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Lest we forget Phoenix!
It would be cool to still be alive when something more tuns up! http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/MR...panel_001.html
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02-09-2009, 11:07 PM | #38 | |||
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But as far as the development of life, sure there is a good understanding of things. We can trace ourselves all the way back to the eukarya domain. Where eukarya, archae and bacteria developed out of is anyones guess. But just because we cannot pinpoint or prove the beginning doesn't mean it should be dismissed. Again, so much understanding of the world comes from this. I always find it interesting that the religious always sit there and exclaim "but they are hypothesis! you cannot prove them and thus you are wrong!" meanwhile their explanation has done so very little to contribute to the realm of knowledge, and quite frankly their explanation is much more unproven and unsubstantiated than what current science has to offer. Quote:
And I'm going to further enforce what I said earlier. Is global warming being exaggerated and being played the alarmist card by the media? Absolutely. The biggest thing the scientific community can benefit from right now is people who can properly communicate to the general public as to what their research is finding and what it means. There is a lot of resentment towards the media which has made a mockery out of a serious issue. Prophetic and catastrophic claims only harm what is a genuine problem. There is a good collection of data to suggest that humans are influencing the climate (note! not every place will see increases in temperature!). For every widely publicized article that claims to refute and dismiss this idea (often subject to sensationalism I might add), you can find another that says the exact opposite. In fact, I'd wager there are more publications supporting the current beliefs, not trying to dismiss them. Quote:
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That said, religious arguments usually fail to acknowledge the fact that these kind of theoretical constructions are in fact very useful, as well as beautifully constructed, which is to say that it might be true. After all, as we weren't there at creation, we don't know what the mechanisms of it really are. These arguments should also acknowledge, as you rightly point out, that they do not have the goal to provide a scientific alternative. Evolution is accepted because it adheres to certain (admittedly vague) scientific values, while creationism hasn't been found to adhere to them (perhaps a better constructed version could). Thus, evolution does provide a certain type of knowledge (a theoretical framework to explain observable phenomena) which creationism does not (it uses premises to support a premise). So, in conclusion: both parties of the eternal debate should realise that in truth they really don't, and in fact cannot know what is 'the truth' in these matters.
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02-10-2009, 02:55 PM | #40 |
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Re: Teaching enviromentalism "indoctrination"?
I don't really like the term Global Warming. As I don't believe all areas are feeling the this warming that people are talking about. Some places are actually breaking records for how cold some days are. Some places are getting record snowfalls so global warming is a myth. But lets talk about Climate Change the weather can be pretty messed up at times. I think any one living in the Gulf of Mexico area would say that they are getting an unusual amount of hurricanes. People in Newfoundland have occasionally had to climb out there window to shovel snow, the bonus is you get to open the door and stick your beers in the snow and ice. Is man somewhat responsible, well I am sure we help it along slightly. Are we going to be living in temperatures the same as when the dinosaurs and 45 foot snakes at over 2000lbs roamed the earth anytime soon. Well most likely not. Should we try and cut back on our admissions and waste were possible. Well this is a no brainer if you agree if it is affecting climate change or not. People with breathing problems will appreciate it if the air is cleaner, I like fresh air too. If we keep throwing out all our stuff and not recycling we will eventually use up our space. I only get about 1 bag of garbage/week with recycling and we use disposable diapers. The fuzzybuns diapers were about $20/diaper so seemed like quite a bit of money up front but well worth the investment as the adjustable size and reusability saved a bundle over the course of a year. I most likely would have spent twice as much or more on diapers without disposable ones. I am not going to give up air conditioning or heating but can I adjust the temperature within 1degree I will save an extra 7% electricity. Still comfortable. I can turn off lights and my computer monitor when I am not using them, and I can switch to energy efficient bulbs, etc. This is just to name a few and everyone can do there bit. For recycling we don't have curbside pickup for that but I take all my cans, papers, cardboard, milk containers, glass to the big green bins everytime I need to pick up groceries. Going to pick up groceries and takeing the recycling was just a habit to get into and doesn't take up much time. Oh and I do take public transit as much as possible despite my dislike for being jammed on there next to all you guys. I am sure the feeling is mutual LOL.
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