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02-08-2009, 08:16 AM | #11 |
Mephistopheles
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Re: Teaching enviromentalism "indoctrination"?
Here in Titusville they take all plastic. I am aware that there are types of plastic that are hard/expensive to recycle OR impossible to recycle. Those, I assume, go into the landfill. But that is a future political battle.
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02-08-2009, 09:20 AM | #12 | |
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Re: Teaching enviromentalism "indoctrination"?
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02-08-2009, 10:08 AM | #13 |
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Re: Teaching enviromentalism "indoctrination"?
So indoctrination is acceptable as long as it's something you agree with? Interesting.
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02-08-2009, 01:23 PM | #14 |
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Re: Teaching enviromentalism "indoctrination"?
That's the current trend nowadays anyways.
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02-08-2009, 01:55 PM | #15 | |
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Re: Teaching enviromentalism "indoctrination"?
I don't know, I can see the argument going both ways. As an environmental biology major at the college of environmental science and forestry, I'm a firm believer that we should be taking better care of the planet. Do I believe that humans are just another species, one of millions, living on this planet and we shouldn't be destroying it the way we are? Absolutely. However at the same time, that is also my personal viewpoint and opinion. I can see how people can perceive that as forcing a certain viewpoint. Some people believe that man was destined to inherit the earth, that we were meant to conquer.
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As for the "climate change is natural" arguement. Well... I'm not quite exactly sure how to respond to that. It is indeed natural, but our current predicament I am not so sure about. I believe humas have an impact. The larger body of science and academia has already seemed to have accepted this idea as well (but yes, the larger body of scientists have been wrong in the past). Ignoring the sensationalist articles that the mass media seem to publish consantly "omgz we are all dead and doomed", there are already many scientific papers being published on the matter. Science, one of the most prestigious scientific journals, just published a paper on the effect of global warming on tree mortality. My school has done a number of research projects on these effects as well. I can't understand why people are skeptical about it. Firstly people deny that climate change doesnt exist, which is just stupid. Whether it is natural or anthropogenic, it exists. As for the people who believe it is natural well...again there may not be a single smoking gun but the evidence leans heavily towards humans are having a big impact. I think part of the reason is that because people say "hey, the winters are still freezing and getting even worse from year to year". Their perception is that they see nothing abnormal. To which I respond with, the label of "global warming" (changed to 'global climate change') is highly misleading. A better title would be global climate disruption. Lastly, even if this warming is indeed natural, what is so wrong with making a "cleaner" planet? Tell me what is so profound and controversial about developing energy efficiencies and trying to clean up pollution? There is not a damn thing that is bad about taking an environmental stance. |
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02-08-2009, 02:11 PM | #16 | |
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02-08-2009, 04:26 PM | #17 |
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Re: Teaching enviromentalism "indoctrination"?
Then indoctrination of something you don't agree with should be acceptable as well, since it will obviously be acceptable to someone else.
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02-09-2009, 01:57 AM | #18 | |
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But certain things you need to drill into people... Not because I think they're a good idea, but because they ARE a good idea. Take care of the planet. Brush your teeth. Treat people kindly. I think there's a difference.
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02-09-2009, 07:24 AM | #19 | |
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2. Yes, please! 3. My philosophy is to treat others as they need treated.
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02-09-2009, 10:31 AM | #20 | |
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It's about to be a moot point though, because we are soon moving to the next town over. I just found out our new town doesn't even have trash collection, nevermind recycling.
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