GPS used to track teens driving?!?!?!

[Cerek]

Originally posted by armageddon272: Scrwe this. one, i dont like it. two, if this happens, not only will some teens lose the only fun they can have whiklst driving, but it will eventually try to be passed as a law so rebelling it will be illegal. i hope this project shuts down.

So the only fun some can have while driving is to break the speed limit and drive recklessly? If that's the case, those particular teens shouldn't be driving to begin with.

As a parent, I accept the fact that ALL teenagers are going to break the speed limit (at least some of the time) and that they will also do stupid things while driving in order to impress their friends. A certain amount of this behavior is to be expected. But since a single mistake in a car CAN kill the driver, passengers and/or some innocent person in another car...I WILL monitor the driving habits of my boys to the best of my ability.

As MagiK pointed out, driving in the U.S. is a privilege, NOT a right. And this DOES apply even more to teens than it does to adults.

In regards to the proposed GPS monitoring system, it's basically a waste of time unless ALL phones have the GPS chips in them. With all the proposed requirements of the program, the only ones that would use it are those that aren't planning on breaking the driving laws to begin with.

Originally posted by Illumina Drathiran'ar: I'm not talking about that, MagiK. I'm talking about the parents who have their 19 year old living in the house who can't move out because they have him trapped. Or that woman who doesn't let her son hang out with "those homos" and makes him call home every half an hour. I know the difference between good parenting and crazy behavior.

Trapped? Im betting that that is just a matter of perspective. All the kid has to do is dial 911 to get himself released if he is trapped....unless they have him chained to a basement wall.....but then how would we know it was happening? All in all, I would bet that this is not a common occurance.

[Illumina Drathiran'ar]

It's not a common occurrance, no. I'm happy for that. But as I'm of the "Better to let a guilty man go free than imprison an innocent" persuasion, I look first to the abuses possible with such a system, rather than... What? Parents know when the kid is speeding? Oh, goody. How did the parents of old survive without this? (And what happened to all these "simpler times" advocates I used to hear so much about?)

And when I mean trapped, I mean just that. Not physically, that's too easy to fix. It's much more difficult to get out when people have conditioned you since you were young and play mind games with you now. It's a despicable thing to witness, and a self-perpetuating problem.

[John D Harris]

This sounds like it is something for the parents to decide what is best for their children, if anybody wants to tell other parents how to raise their children then they had better be prepared to alow those other parents to tell them how to raise their own children.

Personally, we wouldn't use the system, I believe we had a more effective way of doing it, If our children did anything that raised the cost of Auto insurance coverage of them, getting a ticket, or being resposible for a wreak, they paid the increased Auto insurance coverage. That meant they had to get out and get a job to come up with the money to cover the increased costs do to their negligence(sp?) It tought them responsiblity and that each of us must pay for the consequences of our actions. But, then again I also believe embrassement)sp?) is an effective form of dislipline, if our daughters ever missed a curfew(sp?) I would drive them to school for a week and walk them into home room in my bath robe and slippers. Our daughter never once missed a curfew. They knew Dad wasn't going to be embrassed by wearing his bath robe and slippers in front of a bunch of high school pukes, but they sure as "Hale" were going to be.

[Lucern]

('Hale' Harris) But, then again I also believe embrassement)sp?) is an effective form of dislipline, if our daughters ever missed a curfew(sp?) I would drive them to school for a week and walk them into home room in my bath robe and slippers. Our daughter never once missed a curfew. They knew Dad wasn't going to be embrassed by wearing his bath robe and slippers in front of a bunch of high school pukes, but they sure as "Hale" were going to be.

LOL

It's true that personal shame is a universal human social restraint, but it is now clear to me that shame for one's family members has an equal, if not greater effect [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 12-15-2004, 01:03 PM: Message edited by: Lucern ]

ID following that Logic, we wouldn't have open heart surgery...since when it was pionered the chances of death were pretty good...so lets just never implement anything if it may possibly hurt even a small portion of the populace.....

Ok enough sarcasm from me....but think about what I said.....Just because something CAN be misused, does not make a good argument for suppressing it.

The GPS feature will also allow Ambulance Drivers to locate and get to accident victims who dial 911 among several hundred other possible uses for the function.

[Illumina Drathiran'ar]

Then what about the fact that there's more and more technology being used to keep track of people and it's just creepy to think about sometimes?

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Lucern: quote: ('Hale' Harris) But, then again I also believe embrassement)sp?) is an effective form of dislipline, if our daughters ever missed a curfew(sp?) I would drive them to school for a week and walk them into home room in my bath robe and slippers. Our daughter never once missed a curfew. They knew Dad wasn't going to be embrassed by wearing his bath robe and slippers in front of a bunch of high school pukes, but they sure as "Hale" were going to be.

LOL

It's true that personal shame is a universal human social restraint, but it is now clear to me that shame for one's family members has an equal, if not greater effect [img]smile.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Any port in a storm

[Luvian]

I think anyone that support this is an hypocrit.

Would you like the government to track your every movements? After all, the government "know better" than you, and is there to regulate your life and protect you, right?

And I agree with Illumina Drathiran'ar, ask a victim of abuse why she's still with her husband/boyfriend... She can just leave after all, right?

Teens can leave their abusive parents too, right. They just have to illegaly leave home and live in the street with nothing to survive. Or maybe they can go into prostitution, until the police find them for their parents and bring them back home for more abuse?

Great plan! Let's punish and control our childrens instead of raising them right!

[aleph_null1]

Originally posted by Luvian: Great plan! Let's punish and control our childrens instead of raising them right!

Very well put, Luvian.

I haven't the slightest idea why General Franks would sign on to this; it's not like he's that desperate for money -- the man is a 4-star!

My (serious, for once) thoughts: If I trusted my kid as little as this would imply, s/he wouldn't be driving in the first place. That said, people need enough rope to hang themselves with. Duty, responsibility, and commitment come only with freedom.

The very act of slipping the bonds often makes them unnecessary.