Virginia bans homosexual civil unions

[Larry_OHF]

Originally posted by Cloudbringer: And now that I have that image of Donut's panties in my head....ack!

Maybe we should ask Ziroc if that can be a banning offence. I too have suffered mental stress because of it.

[Melusine]

Originally posted by Donut: (damn - finished the sentence with a preposition, hope Melusine doesn't pick up on it)

No worries mate - I was temporarily blinded by the panties mental image anyway. Even if not, I think a preposition is a fine word to end a sentence with. I do it all the time myself

[Melusine]

*desperate attempt to lighten the mood of recently turned grim CE*

Some of *my* panties are rainbowcoloured though! [img]graemlins/heee.gif[/img]

[ 05-26-2004, 11:08 AM: Message edited by: Melusine ]

[Cloudbringer]

ROTFL! Mel, that almost took the other image away.

Larry...LOL! I'm on board with that one!

[Melusine]

Almost, huh? [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] What does Donut have that I haven't? No wait don't answer that. [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

On topic then, I think the count where I live is higher than two percent too, and I *definitely* don't believe that only a lousy 1.4 % accounts for the entire lesbian/bisexual part of the female population.
But I don't think statistics are that important. Why not allow gay people to have a marriage equivalent available to them? I haven't seen any problems with it in my personal experiences.

[ 05-26-2004, 11:18 AM: Message edited by: Melusine ]

[Donut]

Apologies for giving more information that people wanted.

[promethius9594]

On topic then, I think the count where I live is higher than two percent too, and I *definitely* don't believe that only a lousy 1.4 % accounts for the entire lesbian/bisexual part of the female population.

this poll does not account for anyone who has merely had some homosexual experience in their life, merely those who identify as straight through and through gay, lesbian or bisexual. the point i was trying to make, as has been enumerated here, is that this is an issue which does not affect a large part of the population, regardless of the faulty information out there.

[Illumina Drathiran'ar]

Because every single gay person I know would cheerfully identify themselves as homosexual to a stuffed-shirt knocking door to door to make statistics, or a census taker. And I don't remember that question being on the census. Maybe it was on the detailed census? How many people got that? Was it evenly distributed all over the country? If it was, and if this is the case, it most likely does not account for the fact that homosexuals, like other minorities, tend to form neighborhoods. Ever been to the Village in New York?

By the way, thanks for backing me on this, Donut... I logged on, saw the number of posts, and wondered if the thread had degenerated by now. Apparently not, though we might be in danger... Ah, well.

And Prometheus, don't you think that the Catholic Medical Association is just a *little* bit slanted? I insted direct you to www.religioustolerance.org... Look around. Maybe you'll learn something, and certainly there's more accurate information about homosexuality then at your website. If you think I'm lying, look it up.

As for *your* insistence that we look up this legal brief ourselves, I say that the burden of proof lies with the prosecution. Bear in mind that I am close friends with the gay peer services coordinator at my school, an extremely knowledgable woman, and I myself have looked for reliable statistics on the percentage of homosexuals... She's admitted that no RELIABLE statistics exist.

In conclusion, I would like to know where you come off saying that the gay rights movement is not about "equality in marriage." What, do you suppose that the gay lifestyle is demanding more and more rights and eventually wants to turn the entire nation gay? Do you think gays have equal rights as straight people and instead are demanding that they have *more* rights than straight people? Do you think there's recruitment going on? Do you think gays are trying to push their lifestyle, so-called, on you?
If the answer to any of these questions is yes, I simply advise you to lighten up.

[Jerr Conner]

I wouldn't out myself to a total stranger. Even for statistics. For all I know they could be a raving loony "F@g Baiter" (Seen people chat about it, but so far only online) pretending to be 'polling'.

Out of all the gay people I know, only 2 would out themselves. One who is one of the most open people I know, and the other who would do it just to piss off the person if they were homophobic.

[Jerr Conner]

I'm sure some of these vary from state-to-state, but this is from the PFLAG Website.

Because lesbians and gay men cannot marry, they have no right to:

Accidental death benefit for the surviving spouse of a government employee;
Appointment as guardian of a minor;
Award of child custody in divorce proceedings;
Beneficial owner status of corporate securities;
Bill of Rights benefits for victims and witnesses;
Burial of service member's dependents;
Certificates of occupation;
Consent to post-mortem examination;
Continuation of rights under existing homestead leases;
Control, division, acquisition, and disposition of community property
Criminal injuries compensation;
Death benefit for surviving spouse for government employee
Disclosure of vital statistics records;
Division of property after dissolution of marriage;
Eligibility for housing opportunity allowance program of the Housing, Finance and Development Corporation;
Exemption from claims of Department of Human Services for social services payments, financial assistance, or burial payments;
Exemption from conveyance tax;
Exemption from regulation of condominium sales to owner-occupants;
Funeral leave for government employees;
Homes of totally disable veterans exempt from property taxes;
Income tax deductions, credits, rates exemption, and estimates;
Inheritance of land patents;
Insurance licenses, coverage, eligibility, and benefits organization of mutual benefits society;
Legal status with partner’s children;
Making, revoking, and objecting to anatomical gifts;
Making partner medical decisions;
Nonresident tuition deferential waiver;
Notice of guardian ad litem proceedings;
Notice of probate proceedings;
Payment of wages to a relative of deceased employee;
Payment of worker's compensation benefits after death;
Permission to make arrangements for burial or cremation;
Proof of business partnership;
Public assistance from the Department of Human Services;
Qualification at a facility for the elderly;
Real property exemption from attachment or execution;
Right of survivorship to custodial trust;
Right to be notified of parole or escape of inmate;
Right to change names;
Right to enter into pre-marital agreement;
Right to file action for nonsupport;
Right to inherit property;
Right to purchase leases and cash freehold agreements concerning the management and disposition of public land;
Right to sue for tort and death by wrongful act;
Right to support after divorce;
Right to support from spouse;
Rights and proceedings for involuntary hospitalization and treatment;
Rights by way of dour or courtesy;
Rights to notice, protection, benefits, and inheritance under the uniform probate code;
Sole interest in property;
Spousal privilege and confidential marriage communications;
Spousal immigration benefits;
Status of children;
Support payments in divorce action;
Tax relief for natural disaster losses;
Vacation allowance on termination of public employment by death;
Veterans' preference to spouse in public employment;
In vitro fertilization coverage;
Waiver of fees for certified copies and searches of vital statistics

[ 05-26-2004, 10:00 PM: Message edited by: Jerr Conner ]