Bin claims he's got nukes

[John D Harris]

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Originally posted by Ryanamur:


See, if I was a terrorist, I wouldn't deliver them on my first attack. Blow up two building here, crash a few planes there, disrupt the world economy, get the ennemy to attack then, you make your real statement. It's like a game of chess. Do you use your queen to take out the other guys queen or you move her out of the way and try to take the other guys queen with your pawn? I'm a move her out of the way type of guy. Position everything the way you want and then, you check mate the other guy! He's a lunatic but he's not an idiot. You get a bigger effect out of a build up than you would out of a single strike.

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I guess it depends on your style of chess Given the fact that proceeding the 11 Sept, 2001 attack Usama and his boys were running their mouths about how they would make the USA howl, and their stated goal is to bring down the great "Satan".

Personaly I think Usama is an Idiot, look at what he did, he brought a box cutter to a gun fight. A gun fight with the baddest SOB in the world, then he was not able to really follow up his first thrust with anything more than a jab. And now he has this "I got nukes" threat, after the USA news media has spent weeks talking about what if he gets nukes! Usama is puffing his orginization up, just like a animal that is facing a bigger animal.

Usama is a good tacticain (sp?) he struck at our economy while we are in a ression in hopes of bringing us down. He knows that we are in a death fight, the big question is do we?

[Barry the Sprout]

The point should also be made that it was printed in a Pakistani newspaper. They share a border which ther can't control and he has the most to gain from bringing down there government quickly. So it is possible that this may have been a bit of sensationalism for the front page, just a thought.

It has been said by Yorick before now and I think it applies here - they are just trying to sell papers. This is possibly the one thing that will sell papers by the cart load in Pakistan right now.
(OMG! I never thought I would use the word "Yorick" without "I don't agree with..." before it!! I suppose there is a first time for everything...)

Please don't take that too seriously Yorick, please...

[Yorick]

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Originally posted by Ryanamur:
Yorick, glad to see you back. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I really hate to say it but the only way to deal with these people (IMO) is to kill them before they kill us! I know it's immoral but since they will never stop, that's the only viable option for us.

BTW: don't let yourself be affected by terrorists. I know you're intelligent enough to realize that if you fear, they've won. Life is no more dangerous now than before 9-11. In fact, it's less dangerous for the simple reason that we now know that there's a threath. I know you're a religeous man (please recongnize that my intent is not malicious) ask God for guidance. I'm sure you'll find out that you are not to fear but to live. That's why He put you on this Earth isn't it?

Cheers and hang in there my friend.

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Thankyou my friend. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Yorick]

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Originally posted by Barry the Sprout:
The point should also be made that it was printed in a Pakistani newspaper. They share a border which ther can't control and he has the most to gain from bringing down there government quickly. So it is possible that this may have been a bit of sensationalism for the front page, just a thought.

It has been said by Yorick before now and I think it applies here - they are just trying to sell papers. This is possibly the one thing that will sell papers by the cart load in Pakistan right now.
(OMG! I never thought I would use the word "Yorick" without "I don't agree with..." before it!! I suppose there is a first time for everything...)

Please don't take that too seriously Yorick, please...

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[img]smile.gif[/img] I won't. I think we got off on the wrong foot mate. You walked into a thread that was the result of provocation (plenty of it unwitting), frustration and despair.

Apparently we agree on matters metaphysical though mate.

Oh, and I love Britain too. [img]smile.gif[/img] Believe it or not.

[Synthos]

It's highly unlikely bin shiten has nukes, first of all, it's unlikely he could get a nuke missle, let alone the technical equipment (computers, launchpads ect..) to lauch the missle. If he did have one it would be a something he'd have to get in by plane... And with the security as tight as it is I highly doubt a big metal container with a biohazard sticker on it would get anywhere near the US... Even so.. you can't buy a nuke at a corner store...

Chemical weapons I'm not so sure about, although I especially hope he doesn't have viral weapons (virus). One modified cold virus and you could make anthrax look like the flu in comparison...

BTW... Don't get so scared about bin shiten.. he's a TERRORist..meaning he tries to scare people.. don't let him get to you..

Love from Canada.

[Witchdoctor]

I don't think Bin Ladin has nukes either. I think he would have used them if he had, even if he did want to lead up to it with suicide planes against the WTC; the start of attacks against the Taliban would have been the perfect time to use them, from his standpoint. But he has not.

Unfortunately he doesn't need ICBM's or even planes to deliver them. Back in WWII when they were still figuring out how to build nukes in the first place and they thought they would be really big (in size), the original plan was to just sail the nuke into a harbor in a ship and set it off. There is no reason that wouldn't work now. Most cargo
comes in those huge containers and many don't get opened by customs. But even if they all were, you could just set off the bomb before the ship gets to customs. As long as the ship is in port,,,

[250]

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Originally posted by Witchdoctor:
I don't think Bin Ladin has nukes either. I think he would have used them if he had, even if he did want to lead up to it with suicide planes against the WTC; the start of attacks against the Taliban would have been the perfect time to use them, from his standpoint. But he has not.

Unfortunately he doesn't need ICBM's or even planes to deliver them. Back in WWII when they were still figuring out how to build nukes in the first place and they thought they would be really big (in size), the original plan was to just sail the nuke into a harbor in a ship and set it off. There is no reason that wouldn't work now. Most cargo
comes in those huge containers and many don't get opened by customs. But even if they all were, you could just set off the bomb before the ship gets to customs. As long as the ship is in port,,,

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well, you have to realize that if the nuke is set off on ground, the damage will be significantly reduced

as I learnt six years ago back in high school, there are two ways to launch a nuke depending on purposes. one is to drop the bomb from a plane, this way covers widest area and kills most of the ground targets. the second is to drop the nuke and set it off close to the ground, the explosion would destroy bunkers and underground units but covers significantly smaller areas

I learnt this six years ago, so the technology may be much different back then.

[Zbyszek]

Nuke and missile are quite separate things. For sure he has no missile able to carry nuclear weapon across ocean. I dont know if he has usable nuclear head, I believe he would already use it: in response for american attacks in Afghanistan, presence in Saudi Arabia.
IMHO or how would I use nuclear head: small truck in centre of city and suicidal operator.
Talking about missiles and planes is a big misunderstanding . Also biological and chemical weapons wont be used with missiles. Accurate and long range missiles are very rare and expensive, only US, Russia and China can afford it. They are not pocket weapons. Continental ballistic missiles requires a lot of infrastructure. Iraqui SCUD missiles mounted on vehicles after adaptation had range 600 km. Korean test missiles have range more then 1000km. But accuracy! No country will risk to launch nuclear/chemical/biological missile against US or Israel because missile can be tracked - all countries will know who launched missile.

[Ronn_Bman]

I do not believe he has one because I don't believe he would "tip his hand" by admitting it. If he did have one, the only reason for not using it, up to this point, would be as Ryanamur stated to wait for something big.

I don't believe he would wait too long.

[Ryanamur]

Just a small addition. Two Pakistanis nuclear researchers admited to have met with Al-Queda members in Afghanistan. That was on CNN this morning.

Up 'til now, the Bush Administration said they had no reports of possible nukes in Al-Queda's hands... this could prove to be one such report.

BTW: Please everyone, don't be scared about Bin having nukes. Just live life as it's meant to be lived: have fun!