08-07-2011, 06:57 PM | #111 |
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Re: New NASA Data Debunks Global Warming
Inc JD vortex. Run, you fools.
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As I said before, your constant assurance that "science is in full agreement on this issue" is too generic, since there are several sub-points to the issue. I listed a few such points in my previous post. The environmentalist alarms have changed dramatically over the last quarter century. First, we were headed towards a mini-ice age, then (just 25 years later), the planet was in serious danger of over-heating, now the scientists have adopted the more generic label of "global climate change" after data began countering some of their predictions about he effects of global "warming". Since you have already done the research (supposedly), it shouldn't be difficult to list some exact points on which science expresses this full agreement you claims exists. It's kinda like saying "All the experts agree the Yankee's are the best team in baseball". Ok, exactly what makes them the "best team"? Most wins so far this year? Most wins historically? Best pitching staff?, Best hitters and fielders? Exactly WHAT criteria is being used to determine them to be the "best"? Until the criteria is known, there is no way for someone else to productively investigate the claim, since they may use different criteria. You've proclaimed for years that science IS in full agreement and that you have verified this for yourself. Fair enough. All I'm asking is a more detailed statement listing exactly what they are in full agreement on. That doesn't require any more research on your part, it is just asking you to share the results of the research you've already done. Quote:
Since you've done the research, it should be very easy to provide links supporting your conclusions and names of the scientists you have questioned on the issue. I am not asking you to provide any more information than you are requesting from me and since you've done the research, you should have that data readily available. I'm just asking you to share that data so I can look it over myself. It's called communication.
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08-08-2011, 09:45 AM | #113 |
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Re: New NASA Data Debunks Global Warming
I take off for a quiet weekend and look at what happens during that time.
I remember all the brouhaha from the 1987 "hole in the ozone layer over Antarctica" scare. The alarmists then were telling us that CFCs were dissolving ozone and that the rate of skin cancer would rise sharply in the near future. Guess what? Not only did the rate of skin cancer not rise, but that hole in the layer repaired itself, reopened--despite our ban on CFCs, and then repaired itself again. So...clearly the scientists were wrong--they jumped to conclusions based on insufficient and incomplete research. Even though our politicians acted based on their conclusions the natural process kept marching along, ignoring our actions. My point all along has been that the alarmists want to tell us that climatologists either have all the answers or know precisely the cause of certain phenomena (and what to do to fix it) when the reality of the situation is that they do not.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to have made the jump from denying science agrees, to demanding just what they agree upon. Why's that? Quote:
While we're talking about research, have you watched that movie yet? You've had like three years to do so. Quote:
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This is not communication, that's you asking me to do your homework for you, which is a disservice to you. The communication part was when I suggested avenues to pursue. I have already pointed you in the right direction, the rest falls on you. Personally, I find it odd that you haven't jumped at the opportunity to prove us wrong - you could blow the lid off this whole thing! The scientific community is at your fingertips, why not go get 'em?
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08-08-2011, 03:37 PM | #115 | |
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Re: New NASA Data Debunks Global Warming
Although the thread has dozens of posts which include science and discussion about scientists, scientific method ect. perhaps it'll help to add another one...
http://www.skepticalscience.com/glob...termediate.htm Best if you click the link, but here is a topical excerpt: Quote:
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08-08-2011, 05:22 PM | #116 |
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Re: New NASA Data Debunks Global Warming
Consensus proves nothing except that lots of people, scientists included, want to take graphs of data (some of which may not go back terribly far, perhaps 50 or 100 years) and then use a linear extrapolation to show where things "will" be in another 20 or 30 years.
As a counter to the above link, check out some of the information and graphs from Climate Skeptic. Amongs its gems are charts showing the following: glaciers have been shrinking (compared to base year 1950) since 1750 sea levels have been rising since 1800 a discussion of the famous "hockey stick" graph, including the fact that some of the data lines are truncated--one in about 1950 (light blue, labelled BOS2001) and another in 1961 (dark green, for tree ring data); not coincidentally, both data lines show downward trends in later years a comparison graph that shows two similar warming trends, one from 1957-2008 and another from 1895-1946 charts showing sunspot activity, which was unusually quiet from 1880-1940 and then active since then, with peaks around 1960 and 1990 charts showing the correlation of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation and average global temperatures (when the ocean warms up, we all warm up; when it cools down, we all cool down) ************* It is a known fact that the Earth warms up and cools down; this is nature at its cyclic finest. However, we human beings are simply NOT disrupting this cycle by any significant amount.
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08-08-2011, 08:13 PM | #117 | |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion First off, there were not 2 holes -- but rather a thinning and reoccurring holes. Both are related to ozone depleting chemicals, but both also have other factors that affect them as well, down to and including wind. The differing events were in part related to CFCs and HCFCs and those chemicals would have destroyed the ozone eventually. Luckily, the USA had some prime-for-marked propellants ready to replace CFCs and HCFCs, so we had the $$$ incentive to lead a global charge on the topic. We were as selfish then in our push for change as we are now in our fight against it, but that time we just happened to have our economics line up on the side of doing what's right for the environment. The Montreal Protocol is one of the most easily verifiable successful environmental programs on the international level. But if you come around here proclaiming to be a man of science or math and don't understand the chemistry of how one Cl molecule can interact with stratospheric ozone (in effect bouncing around up to 16 times losing valence electrons to destroy 16 molecules of O3, making them drop from the stratosphere), then you don't have much credibility. More chin music. Lots of that these days. It must be about scoring points. Quick, where's JD with a baseball reference? Last edited by Timber Loftis; 08-09-2011 at 12:15 AM. |
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08-09-2011, 06:36 AM | #118 |
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Re: New NASA Data Debunks Global Warming
Just wondering, if I chop down every trees on the planet and cemented every inch of the ground with concrete. Will my action makes the earth warm up?
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08-09-2011, 09:31 AM | #119 | |
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The ones who have no credibility are the ones who continue to harp that the planet is being killed by human activity. If that is the case, then why don't these people lead by example and live completely sustainable lives up in the mountains somewhere where they aren't contributing to any supposed problems at all? However, they may not use any product that is produced by processed petroleum in any form and they have to produce their own electricity--they have to remove themselves from the part of the equation they are saying causes damage. If they want to preach it then they should live it.
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08-09-2011, 11:47 AM | #120 |
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Re: New NASA Data Debunks Global Warming
According to GCC scientists, parts of the world would have record setting hurricane/tornado years, while other parts of the world, in the same hemisphere, would have a catastrophic Ice Age. This is, after all, the reason they quit using Global Warming, and went to Global Climate Change. I think Kansas would get Ice Tornadoes, like in that ScyFy original movie.
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