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Who was it that said the U.N. risked irrelevancy for opposing invading Iraq? Rummy? Powell? It was one of those fellows, I forget which one. Whomever, I guess they were wrong... eh?
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09-04-2003, 04:23 AM | #2 |
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Don't hold your breath. I think that Bush will not cede enough authority in Iraq to get through the first round of discussions - and then after he has done (eventually), I expect a lot of arguments to occur on the exact wording.
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An amazing volte-face. It's very unusual for politicians to admit to failure.
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09-04-2003, 11:21 AM | #4 |
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Hate to say that "I told you so" but...
France and Germany reject US Iraq plans French President Jacques Chirac and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder have said a US draft resolution seeking greater international help in Iraq does not go far enough. Speaking after talks in Germany, Mr Chirac said the US proposals "seem quite far from what appears to us the primary objective, namely the transfer of political responsibility to an Iraqi government as soon as possible". Mr Schroeder said that while France and Germany had opposed the war in Iraq, both countries now wanted to help bring stability and democracy to the country. Their comments came as US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld called for 10,000 more foreign troops to be deployed in Iraq. Mr Rumsfeld arrived in Baghdad on an unannounced visit on Thursday for talks with US commanders and civilian leaders there. Britain has also ordered a review of its troop numbers in Iraq as negotiations got under way on the US-proposed draft UN resolution aimed at creating a multinational force... Now if only lottery numbers were this easy to predict... [ 09-04-2003, 11:22 AM: Message edited by: Skunk ] |
09-04-2003, 11:31 AM | #5 |
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So, here's me asking again : when do the U.S. pay their arrear to the U.N. ? [img]smile.gif[/img]
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09-04-2003, 06:02 PM | #6 |
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Hmmm, come crawling back have they?
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09-04-2003, 09:59 PM | #7 |
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Typical political vascillating and weak-kneed wishy-washiness. I'm not surprised; now is the time for Bush to begin looking like a reconciler, since elections are forthcoming in the next year.
Moiraine...never, I hope. As far as I am concerned, [img]graemlins/flickdown.gif[/img] to the UN. The problem with Americans is that they want military victories without the costs of those victories. Being reared on commercials and sound-bytes, too many Americans want nice, clean, quick, decisive victories and then to rush all the soldiers home in time for Christmas. [img]graemlins/saywhat.gif[/img] If you can't stand the heat, then not only should you get out of the kitchen but you shouldn't venture into the kitchen in the first place.
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09-05-2003, 04:04 AM | #8 |
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Dang skunk I'll let you know next time I plan of playing the lotto and give you a crack at it anyway! [img]smile.gif[/img] Though I made the same prediction in my head when I first heard a draft resolution was going to make the rounds.
Seriously though, I think the French and Germans may have some leverage considering going the U.N. route seems the best option for the U.S. I doubt Bush & Co. would be taking this step unless they absolutely had to. This typically means they come to the bargaining table in a weak position. I thought I heard on the news C. Powell say something like 'whatever they want, they just need to spell it out' with regards to France and Germany's concerns regarding the first draft. Maybe Iraq will turn out to be a U.N. show after all and maybe some non-U.S./Britsh companies (ie. French, German, Russian) will get some of those lucrative reconstruction contracts as well. I can almost hear the unilateralist, anti-french, "the U.N. is irrelevant" people's tears from here.
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09-05-2003, 04:54 AM | #9 |
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Bah Chewie, the U.N. is not yet in Iraq ! What the U.S. basically ask the U.N., is that they send troops, provided the U.S. be in command ...
No, really. "Look, guys, I wiped my ass with the Charter I signed and I owe you money that I don't intend to pay soon, now come join me. You'll do the dirty job and I'll lead. Is that OK ?" Should the U.S. been dismantled as irrelevant ? [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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09-05-2003, 05:13 AM | #10 |
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Yeah Moraine we did start the bidding low didnt we? I doubt we'll give up over-all military command no matter what, atleast in the foreseeable future. The bigger issue IMO is the U.N. civilian administration of Iraq. Restoring/forming governments and infrastructure is what the U.N. is good at correct? Let the U.S. do the dirty resistance/terrorist hunting and let the U.N. do what it does best. I hold both institutions (the U.S. & U.N.) in high regard though both have faults as well low points in leadership and policy. Of course being American I maybe biased we are all only human, right...
I dont know about this money being owed and I risk gloating, er um I mean, speaking to soon and too much with my previous post, but hey if I were France or Germany I would be asking for the moon right now.
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