RIAA: "ISPs should pay for music swapping"

[quietman1920]

While I'm still searching for an article to cut/paste/link to back me up, the radio news this morning said SONY has started the ground work to sue an individual for file sharing. They claim he/she shared 600 files in 2 months. They are trying to force Verizon Online to give up the user's identity, but Verizon is fighting them claiming its a privacy issue.

Personally, I see file sharing as nobody's business but the two parties involved. All through the 80s, albums & singles were recorded onto Maxell and TDK cassettes and no one said boo. As for stores closing down, if they over expanded why should we feel guilty over their mismanagement woes? If they have to sell them in Walmarts and 7-11s, well so be it....

[Grungi]

funny thing is recording companies happily encourage selling blank tapes and have done for years yet they know full well that people arent going to "back up" their current collection, they are instead going to copy songs off other people, the reason they didnt care back then was the industry wasnt as big as it got and filesharing is quicker and easier way of getting files far eclipsing simple tape copying.

but i agree its a terrible idea for the RIAA to get involved in the ISPs its none of their business, if they have a problem take it up with the filesharing programs, but dont involve the majority of people using the internet who do so without filesharing. They have no right whatsoever to go to the ISPs and try and get any information out of them, it is private and should be kept that way the users themselves shouldnt be penalised because otherwise your going to have to sue everyone equally not just pick on a few people, close the filesharing programs and theres no problem, but dont blame those programs for affecting the industry, whats affected the industry is its own greed.

id be very angry indeed if i got charged more by my isp on that basis.

[Irongrinder]

quietman, I couldn't agree more with you, in the time of tapes, everyone taped cd's and so did I. even now with the sharing on internet, I still buy the same amount of CD's and DVD's and even more because of more income (I'm only 19 years, so it's no ego trip about my income ). If they would charge it more and more, do they really think people are going to buy more cd's? no, they wouldn't, they would just copy cd's from others. The technology today has made it far too easy to outrun all piracy measurements, we are way to far now to go back.

EDIT: lol, stupid me, turned 20 about a month ago, forgot about that, so ignore the 19 year old comment

[ 01-22-2003, 08:02 AM: Message edited by: Irongrinder ]

[Grungi]

rofl not remembering your own age? alzheimers already? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[quietman1920]

Here's a link to the story I mentioned, only it looks like the indentity of the file sharer will be forceably revealed. I guess that means if you list songs to share on Napster, you're fair game...

[quietman1920]

http://www.msnbc.com/news/862375.asp?0dm=C11LT

looks like I caught your alzheimers... (lol)

[Leonis]

Mate, considering the accents thread you don't seem to recognise sarcasm, so i'll be blunt. I find your blanket statements offensive and out of touch with the music industry (of which I am an active part)
While what you say may be applied to a very small, elite section of the industry, demonising us as a whole is disrespectful and ignorant.

Originally posted by Grungi: if the music industry wasnt corrupt and all about money ... unfortunately the music industry only has itself to blame for all the problems, ... now they just make fillers to be able to sell it quick whilst the publicity machine is rolling, the whole system these days is just revolving around quick artists who will appear make 2 hit singles, sell an album then disappear again netting quick profits, ...

[Leonis]

Originally posted by Melusine: quote: Originally posted by Yorick: Great idea. Glad to hear it. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I disagree... all that would happen is that ISPs charge their customers more, and Internet connections get more expensive for everyone, including the people who don't download music... or am I missing something? I don't see how that is in any way fair. It does provide the money to make reparations to musicians who have been harmed by filesharing, but the money doesn't come from the right place.[/QUOTE]Good point...good thread.

[Grungi]

leonis no need to get narky with me, i fully recognise sarcasm, and if you cannot see the humour in my responses on that thread then its YOU that has the problem understanding it, now its totally unneeded to start posting like that.

im demonising the part of the industry that matters, im not talking about you or people who work in a music store they arent important in the argument except that they lose out because of what the record labels do, its the people who make things happen that have wrecked the industry and are now making problems for you and thats the people to whom im referring, im certainly not referring to people who work in a music store, if you cant see that then your not reading properly. As usual its the small percentage at the top who wreck things for the other 90 percent of the industry and its them i have a problem with, and it is their greed that has caused way more problems than kazaa ever will.

or are you saying thats not the case? because so far after repeated coverage of this subject in england every expert would agree with my opinion, many of my points are indeed based on what has been said recently, i have no active experience, but i do know what i have seen and heard and i do know when i buy an album this year compared to one 10 years ago i get far less quality than i used to.

[The Hunter of Jahanna]

If the RIAA can sue ISP's for the content people download , then I guess that Tower Records can sue most independant record labels for selling the same CD at half the price over the internet. I havent realy bought many CD's from a store in about 2 years. The reason is that I can go here -> http://www.copint.com/ , here-> http://www.malignantrecords.com/ or here-> http://www.industrial-music.com/ and get the music I want for a fraction of the price and I get the added benifits of not dealing with some vapid chain store worker and not being bombarded with the weak mindless shit that most record companies put out these days.Price gougeing for an inferior product is what is killing record sales, not file shareing. To blame it all on file shareing is to assume that everyone in the target market has a computer and is downloading music with it. I think if you compare the number of people with computers to the number of people without computers you will see what I mean.