Clerics V Mages lets rumble !!

[Xen]

Originally posted by Ny'irilit: quote: Originally posted by wellard: OK its death match time Rules .... no mods but TOB and fully patched. Lets rumble

yes TOB!!! id say cleric/mage stands a slight chance as sorceror has no variation at all. mage can sent 20 types of spells at you where the sorc sents 20 spells of 6 types at you...

mage beats sorceror anytime, aswell [/QUOTE]That is just the worst joke i have heard in the last few days.


Sorcerer kills ANYTHING in the game.

[wellard]

If a cleric is completly buffed with all the MR he can muster then are we 100% sure a mage will beat him? plus of course a Cleric can use the cloak of cheese, weapons and armour and the potions of MR. plus all the usual saving throws.

There are no real bad boss clerics in the game so tatics are not fully tuned i would say into bringing one down. Anti mage tatics are so well known.

I'm going to say the Cleric though at first look is the underdog would win out.

[Dace De'Briago]

Out of interest, can a mage cleric have both Stoneskin and Ironskin running at the same time?

[Neo Duelis of Ra]

It would be a close one, I'd go with Mage though. Clerics may have the AC and physical attacking upper hand, but all you need is a contigency, or chain contingency with some lower resistance and feeblemind, then you can just pick them to pieces. Or, spell sequencer with 3 lower resistance and then finger of death, great for killing dragons and fighters alike .

[Dundee Slaytern]

LAAAADIES AND GENTLEMEN! We stand here, around a ring of minor proportions as we await to witness a battle of major insignificance! A fully buffed-up Cleric versus a nose-picking Mage! Father Wrathful is decked out with the best of the best equipment and protection spells! The Cloak of Mirroring! Chaotic Commands! 127% Magic Resistance! The Shield of Harmony! The Shield of Archons! Anything and everything that a person could possibly want against an angry Mage! Meanwhile, Apprentice Le Bleu is scratching his butt! We know not what the heck he is doing, but he appears to be... NOT CONCERNED! His master, Lord Parmesan the Sorcerer chose to skip this fight, citing it to be a waste of his time! *DING-DING!* There's the bell! The fight has started! Father Wrathful is charging in! Le Bleu seems undisturbed! Wait! What's this? Le Bleu has... he has... YES! He has casted Mislead! Father Wrathful is frothing now, he appears to be trying to cast True Sight while the illusion of Le Bleu is making monkey faces at him, egging him on too! We seem to be rea~ And Then Time Stopped. - And Then Time Resumed. ~ching a... er... erm... Well, well, well. *cough* We have a winner! Le Bleu is being presented with the trophy now while somebody... clean up the remains of Father Wrathful. Yes, check out that winning grin, bloody as it is, can't say Father Wrathful tasted too well. Good night folks! This has been Game Commentor Curly, son of Surly. Remember to tune in next week! As we watch a Kensai->Mage versus a Fighter/Mage!

On side note. Remember that Mages have the school of Abjuration. A little time spent to reflect upon this insight will show why Clerics are shafted in BG2.

[Userunfriendly]

Originally posted by Dace De'Briago: Out of interest, can a mage cleric have both Stoneskin and Ironskin running at the same time?

no, ironskin is a druid spell...

in fact, iron skin has one crucial advantage over stoneskin...it CANNOT be breached!!!

now here is something truely sick and cheesy...

if you install the tactics mod, you can roll up a fighter class archer, so in theory you can dual from archer to mage...so with the right combination of mods, you can in theory have both stoneskin and ironskin...and with experiments i've done, yep, sure you can have both...but only one icon, (i think, its been a while) stoneskin will show...

but clerics don't really need ironskin, or stoneskin...

regeneration, and globe of blades, blade barrior and aura of flaming death makes a cleric almost invulnerable to physical attack...and if attacked physically, will make the enemy attacking the cleric very very very sorry...

this is another reason why cleric mages rock...

[Userunfriendly]

oh yeah, dundee is right...

a mage has several really naughty spells that completely ignores magic resistance...dragon breath, sunfire, breach...etc...and the shield of archons and cloak of mirrors is useless against area effect spells...


"Meanwhile, Apprentice Le Bleu is scratching his butt! We know not what the heck he is doing, but he appears to be... NOT CONCERNED! His master, Lord Parmesan the Sorcerer chose to skip this fight, citing it to be a waste of his time!"

BTW...while le bleu or any mage in the game is picking his nose or scratching his butt, they are actually casting chain contingency, which completely ignores acuity...

so if a mage or sorceror picks nose, or scratches butt, RUN FOR YOU LIFE!!!

[Dundee Slaytern]

Actually, the Cloak of Mirroring does protect against hostile AoE damage spells. Father Wrathful died through a much simpler way. Something which a BG2 Cleric has no defence against, save Potions of Invisibility (which he/she will have to drink before the Time Stop starts).

The Cloak of Mirroring is powerful... but it does have its' weaknesses.

My comment about Abjuration was in response to statements of Clerics being able to buff up to the gills. It is one area where Clerics falther, while Mages excel. A very unbalancing equation, when you think about it.

[Assassin]

Could it be intelligence drain?

[Dundee Slaytern]

Originally posted by Assassin: Could it be intelligence drain?

E-yup.