Grandmastery: what does it do when unmodded? - Page 2

timothy trotter · 05-20-2006, 10:35 PM

it seems logical that there would be a 4/2 apr for high mastery

Dundee Slaytern · 05-20-2006, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Klorox:
I'm not saying that GM makes them overpowered. I'm saying the jump from 3/2 to 5/2 ApR is overpowered.

Again. Why?

Klorox · 05-21-2006, 06:30 AM

Because, what happened to the 2/2 step?

Dundee Slaytern · 05-21-2006, 07:32 AM

How does that explain why you think +1 ApR is overpowered? In what way does it affect the gameplay for the Fighter? Linear progression will not always mean that a trait does not become overpowered.

You have to give a more reasonable and rational explanation on your comment, because at the moment, it seems more of a hasty judgement. Jumping the gun so to speak.

SixOfSpades · 05-21-2006, 02:38 PM

Dundee, Klorox isn't saying that Grandmastery's +1 to ApR is overpowered, he's just saying that it seems too sudden, and I agree. Instead of jumping from 1.5 ApR all the way up to 2.5, I feel it should be 1.5, then 2.0, and then 2.5, as the player goes from Mastery to High Mastery to Grandmastery.

Zink Whistlefly · 05-24-2006, 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by thetruth:
Before the True Grand Mastery fix:

* 1 ApR
** +1 to hit, +2 damage, 3/2 ApR
*** +2 to hit, +2 damage, 3/2 ApR
**** +2 to hit, +3 damage, 3/2 ApR, (-1 Speed Factor)
***** +2 to hit, +4 damage, 3/2 ApR, (-3 Speed Factor)

After (as it is in BG1/IWD1):

* 1 ApR
** +1 to hit, +2 damage, 3/2 ApR
*** +3 to hit, +3 damage, 3/2 ApR
**** +3 to hit, +4 damage, 3/2 ApR, (-1 Speed Factor)
***** +3 to hit, +5 damage, 5/2 ApR, (-3 Speed Factor)

Are you sure about these thetruth? I must admit I am pretty rusty with the mechanics of BG/IWD but I thought that the original proficiency table for BG2 granted no damage bonus for being a High Master (only the minor weapon speed adjustment) and only a +1 damage bonus at Grand Mastery (bringing the total damage adjustment to +3) with there being no further speed factor adjustment at Grand Mastery level?

Furthermore, with the Grand Mastery patch (to restore GM to how it was in BG and IWD) I was under the impression that weapon speed was not adjusted?

Stating 1 ApR for a single proficiency point is also misleading, since all characters have 1 ApR base anyway and adding a proficiency point will not grant a further 1 ApR (unless that character is a post level 13 warrior, hence the removal of the penalties with the initial proficiency point).

thetruth · 05-24-2006, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Are you sure about these thetruth?

Yes, it is copied/pasted from the 2DA file

05-20-2006, 10:35 PM	#11
timothy trotter Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: December 29, 2004 Location: south australia Age: 43 Posts: 603	it seems logical that there would be a 4/2 apr for high mastery __________________ Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!<br />You will stay in the comfy chair until lunchtime, with only a cup of coffee at 11!

05-21-2006, 06:30 AM	#13
Klorox Symbol of Cyric Join Date: August 21, 2004 Location: USA Age: 49 Posts: 1,168	Because, what happened to the 2/2 step? __________________ Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai-mênu! "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."-- Edmund Burke

05-21-2006, 02:38 PM	#15
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 48 Posts: 6,901	Dundee, Klorox isn't saying that Grandmastery's +1 to ApR is overpowered, he's just saying that it seems too sudden, and I agree. Instead of jumping from 1.5 ApR all the way up to 2.5, I feel it should be 1.5, then 2.0, and then 2.5, as the player goes from Mastery to High Mastery to Grandmastery. __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

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Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 42 Posts: 11,063	How does that explain why you think +1 ApR is overpowered? In what way does it affect the gameplay for the Fighter? Linear progression will not always mean that a trait does not become overpowered. You have to give a more reasonable and rational explanation on your comment, because at the moment, it seems more of a hasty judgement. Jumping the gun so to speak.

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