Clerics V Mages lets rumble !!

[Dace De'Briago]

Wouldnt the winner of this 'contest' be the player who can cast timestop quickest combined with the best contingencies?

As far as I can see, this would produce a dead heat if the players controlling the characters were equally skilled.

[Userunfriendly]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: Actually, the Cloak of Mirroring does protect against hostile AoE damage spells. Father Wrathful died through a much simpler way. Something which a BG2 Cleric has no defence against, save Potions of Invisibility (which he/she will have to drink before the Time Stop starts). The Cloak of Mirroring is powerful... but it does have its' weaknesses. My comment about Abjuration was in response to statements of Clerics being able to buff up to the gills. It is one area where Clerics falther, while Mages excel. A very unbalancing equation, when you think about it.

are you sure the cloak protects from area spells???

or are you talking about area spells targetted at the wearer???

besides, mages still have the advantage...mislead allows you to send the clone away, making true sight useless, and spell immunity divination makes true sight useless anyway...

[Dundee Slaytern]

Originally posted by Dace De'Briago: Wouldnt the winner of this 'contest' be the player who can cast timestop quickest combined with the best contingencies? ~~

"Father Righteous! Quick! Cast Time Stop!" "But... but... I'm a Cleric!" "Nevermind then! Cast some contingencies!" "But... but... I'm a Cleric!" "That's it... I'm joining the Navy."

See the problem with your previous statement there?

[Dundee Slaytern]

Originally posted by Userunfriendly: are you sure the cloak protects from area spells???

Yes.

or are you talking about area spells targetted at the wearer???

Nope.

besides, mages still have the advantage...mislead allows you to send the clone away, making true sight useless, and spell immunity divination makes true sight useless anyway...

True... but let's try not to end the fight too fast. It's tragic really. Clerics only have 1 counter to spell/combat protections, and it is negated by Spell Immunity:Abjuration.

[Userunfriendly]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: quote: Originally posted by Userunfriendly: are you sure the cloak protects from area spells???

Yes.

or are you talking about area spells targetted at the wearer???

Nope.

besides, mages still have the advantage...mislead allows you to send the clone away, making true sight useless, and spell immunity divination makes true sight useless anyway...

True... but let's try not to end the fight too fast. It's tragic really. Clerics only have 1 counter to spell/combat protections, and it is negated by Spell Immunity:Abjuration. [/QUOTE]hmm...

too bad wands of spell strike can't be used by clerics...

i personally prefer the cloak of balduran in tactics mod for my pc...usually imoen gets the cloak of mirrors, and i thought it was her belt of inertial barrior that protected her against area effect spells...time for some experiments!!!

[SixOfSpades]

Originally posted by Userunfriendly: now here is something truely sick and cheesy... if you install the tactics mod, you can roll up a fighter class archer, so in theory you can dual from archer to mage...so with the right combination of mods, you can in theory have both stoneskin and ironskin...and with experiments i've done, yep, sure you can have both...but only one icon, (i think, its been a while) stoneskin will show...

Ummm....I'm going to have to negate that entire paragraph.
(Ranger) Archers have Druids spells up to Level 3. Hence, no Ironskins.
(Fighter) Archers have no Druid spells at all. Hence, no Ironskins.
The only theoretical way to get Stoneskins and Ironskins at the same time would be to make either a Druid/Mage, or somehow a Ranger/Cleric, Dualed to Mage....both of which of course are quite impossible (bizarre & risky Shadowkeeping not taken into account).

But the Archer->Mage still takes the cake for cheese, trumping even the Kensai->Mage (Well, maybe Kensai->Mage with Throwing Impaler). Not only do they have the THAC0 of a Level 20 Fighter, combined with all the spellslots of a pureclass Mage, but they also have one sneaky little abuse, above and beyond the Kai ability:
Called Shot weakens the target's Save vs. Spells. And it stacks.
Who needs to spend a round casting Greater Malison at a Dragon when 2 hits under Called Shot will do the same thing? Twang, twang, twang, twang, Feeblemind.
(Now that's worthy of the cheese guide. [img]smile.gif[/img] )

[wellard]

Originally posted by SixOfSpades: But the Archer->Mage still takes the cake for cheese, trumping even the Kensai->Mage (Well, maybe Kensai->Mage with Throwing Impaler). Not only do they have the THAC0 of a Level 20 Fighter, combined with all the spellslots of a pureclass Mage, but they also have one sneaky little abuse, above and beyond the Kai ability: Called Shot weakens the target's Save vs. Spells. And it stacks. Who needs to spend a round casting Greater Malison at a Dragon when 2 hits under Called Shot will do the same thing? Twang, twang, twang, twang, Feeblemind. (Now that's worthy of the cheese guide. [img]smile.gif[/img] )

Eau du fromage tres bon !!

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[Seraph]

Eau du fromage tres bon

water of very good cheese?

[ 12-15-2003, 10:04 AM: Message edited by: Seraph ]

[Userunfriendly]

Originally posted by SixOfSpades: quote: Originally posted by Userunfriendly: now here is something truely sick and cheesy... if you install the tactics mod, you can roll up a fighter class archer, so in theory you can dual from archer to mage...so with the right combination of mods, you can in theory have both stoneskin and ironskin...and with experiments i've done, yep, sure you can have both...but only one icon, (i think, its been a while) stoneskin will show...

Ummm....I'm going to have to negate that entire paragraph.
(Ranger) Archers have Druids spells up to Level 3. Hence, no Ironskins.
(Fighter) Archers have no Druid spells at all. Hence, no Ironskins.
The only theoretical way to get Stoneskins and Ironskins at the same time would be to make either a Druid/Mage, or somehow a Ranger/Cleric, Dualed to Mage....both of which of course are quite impossible (bizarre & risky Shadowkeeping not taken into account).

But the Archer->Mage still takes the cake for cheese, trumping even the Kensai->Mage (Well, maybe Kensai->Mage with Throwing Impaler). Not only do they have the THAC0 of a Level 20 Fighter, combined with all the spellslots of a pureclass Mage, but they also have one sneaky little abuse, above and beyond the Kai ability:
Called Shot weakens the target's Save vs. Spells. And it stacks.
Who needs to spend a round casting Greater Malison at a Dragon when 2 hits under Called Shot will do the same thing? Twang, twang, twang, twang, Feeblemind.
(Now that's worthy of the cheese guide. [img]smile.gif[/img] ) [/QUOTE]that's EVIL!!!

bwahahhahahah!!!

yes, i will include that in the next cheese guide!!!

baldurdash patch does not fix the stacking bug of called shot, right???

that only leaves lower resistance...an archer mage could unleash a spell trigger of lower resistance, followed by called shot, and a sequencer of feebleminds...i think you can sequence feebleminds, i can't recall off the top of my head...bwahhahahha!!!

[Ny'irilit]

lol, mad boy